Talk:Princess Irene of the Netherlands

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Move. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 22:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Princess Irene of Orange-Nassau → Princess Irene of the Netherlands – Princess Irene did not lose her title of Princess of the Netherlands because the 2002 act regulating titles of the royal house was not retroactive. She only lost her membership to the royal house. Had her marriage taken place after 2002 then she would no longer be a princess of the Netherlands. Charles 05:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

  • Support As nominator. Charles 05:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose (but not strongly) While that's her name according to the official website of the Royal House [1] and she definitely is entitled to this style, Irene herself always uses the Lippe-Biesterfeld name. It is unclear to me which is more common in written publications about Irene. Noel S McFerran 16:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Support: Like Noel said, that is what the Royal House calls her, but she uses the Lippe-Biesterfeld name. I am always inclined to use what the RH uses, IMO. Prsgoddess187 17:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support if it's true what Charles says, then make it so. Gryffindor 09:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

See RM reasoning. Charles 05:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Title

Shouldn't she be listed under Princess Irene of Orange-Nassau? She married without the permission of the States-General so she lost her right to the throne, like her nephew Johan-Friso, and he became Prince Johan-Friso of Orange-Nassau. Just trying to get the titles right. Prsgoddess187 15:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Irene uses the name "Irene van Lippe-Biesterfeld"... I don't know whether or not the Princess is still "of the Netherlands" or even what her actual title or common name is now. Charles 23:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HRH Irene, Princess of Orange-Nassau

The Princess Irene is a born Princess of Orange-Nassau and of Lippe-Biesterfeld. Until her marriage to the Duke of Parma, Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme, she also was Princess of the Netherlands. Parliament was not asked to approve the marriage (which it would not have granted probably) and, thus, the Princess Irene lost her royal title of the Netherlands. Her use of Her Royal Highness remained legitimate. Officially she is now, depsite her divorce:

Her Royal Highness Irene, Princess de Bourbon de Parme née Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld.

However, she does not use the derivative title of her former husband, and she is indeed known as Irene of Lippe-Biesterfeld.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[edit] spouse?

As far as I know, Irene is divorced in about 1980 from Carlos de Bourbon etc. -DePiep 18:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Princess Irene, Duchess of Parma"

If her husband is Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma, isn't she Duchess of Parma? This article doesn't even mention this title. Surtsicna (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Interesting idea. It could be, I don't know.... However this is not the case anymore, because they were divorced a long time ago. At the time they were married most of it he was only a prince.
They married in 1964 and he became Duke in 1977, and they divorced in 1981. So if you are right, she would be only dutchess "titre de Courtoisie" for 4 years. Demophon (talk) 20:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, the ex-wife of the Duke of York is still styled Sarah, Duchess of York. Surtsicna (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Interesting question. Since there was no annulment, in the eyes of the Catholic church Irene would be the dowager duchess of Parma. I believe even the late Count and Countess of Paris divorced while they were in their 80s (correct me if wrong) but she was still regarded as the Countess of Paris and titular Queen of the French. Seven Letters 15:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Tulip

Is the 'Prinses Irene' tulip named after her?81.159.89.226 (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage controversy

The part about the marriage controversy seems a bit too long when compared to all the other events that have taken place during her life. ADM (talk) 05:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

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