Talk:Principality of Antioch

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Hmm... wasn't Bohemund already Prince of Taranto? john 00:01 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he was a count in Taranto, and then he declared himself a prince in Antioch just for prestige. Adam Bishop 00:10 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Runciman calls him Prince. "The princes at first held back, but Guiscard's son Bohemond, now prince of Taranto" (History of the Crusades, Vol. 1, p.112) john 00:19 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hmm. I don't have any sources that refer to him as anything other than "Bohemund of Taranto," they never give a title (I unfortunately don't own Runciman or any of the big histories). Googling for him turns up results with Prince, Duke, and Count as a title (not that that really means much). I could swear there was some minor controversy because he called himself a Prince when he actually wasn't... Adam Bishop 00:29 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Ah, I never followed up on this - Runciman has the habit of calling all the major crusade leaders "princes", including Godfrey and Raymond, who were certainly a duke and a count respectively. This comes from the convention of calling their crusade the "princes' crusade," when what is meant is that they were wealthy nobles as opposed to a crowd of poorer knights and soldiers. They weren't literally princes, and neither was Bohemund, as Taranto wasn't a principality. Adam Bishop 01:58, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, upon further reading, it seems that Taranto really was a principality under the king of Sicily. I guess I don't know very much about southern Italy at this period. In any case, calling all the crusaders "princes" is still hyperbole, and the problem is not whether or not Bohemund was already a prince, but that he claimed Antioch at all. Hopefully this is the last I will have to say about this :) Adam Bishop 02:10, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Please discuss his titles (and status) under Talk:Bohemund I of Antioch. I think he was not COUNT of T, but allodial prince there. 62.78.106.188 14:56, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Map[edit]

Please see the Map showng "Antioch under Byzantine Protection". Please edit it and remove Edessa as a county, its under Syrian control by 1158, when Antioch was made a Byzantine vassal.Tourskin 00:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, KOJ was bigger as Adam pointed out. I can edit the map if you want, just leave a message.

Coinage[edit]

"Helmet" denier of Antioch, 1163-1216. British Museum.

"Helmet" denier of Antioch, 1163-1216. PHG Per Honor et Gloria 05:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)