Talk:Prophets of Islam
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[edit] separate
Separate this article into 2 parts. "Backwards arab view of prophets" and "logical consistent view of prophethood, with Quranic proof" then let the reader view both views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.234.40 (talk) 16:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Serious Retardation
Nabi comes from old semitic world. "reveal". Rasoul means messenger, or someone that delivers a message. Can someone please get rid of the retarded middle age scholars who believe that a messenger is superior to a prophet. There are no more prophets, Muhammed was the seal of the prophets(Quranic verse), but never does the Quran mention no more messenegrs. Anyone can be a messenger, all they have to do is preach the word of God. As far as prophets not being messengers... what kind of crazy stuff is that??? Every prophet is by definition a messenger... ! Can someone please purge this place from wahabbis, salafis, sunnis, shia and all the rest of the middle age scholar worshipping freaks out of this page. And coherently re-write this article truthfully? e
[edit] Rashad Kahlifa
This good article is ruined by this random section. I think it should be removed, regards.
I've deleted the Rashad Kahlifa bits. It was under "Other Possible Prophets" section, but was referred to in the article as "False Prophet according to Islamic Faith".
[edit] Messenger not Prophet
Have you ever seen that Messenger is not same as Prophet? Do you know that Mohammed is not prophet but he is Messenger of All-llah. (Puntori 16:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC))
- There is at least three messengers(Rasul) in Quran that we have no verse to show that they are prophets(Nabi) also: Hud,Saleh and Shoaib.--Submitter to Truth (talk) 04:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Huzlah Ibn Safwan
Ibn jarir stated that the dwellers of Ar Rass were the people of one of Thamud's villages. Allah sent a prophet to them called Huzlah Ibn Safwan. They denied and killed him, so Allah destroyed them.
why is he not on the list
[edit] Resolute
I found a reference for "the Resolute" and am suggesting another spelling. I'm trying to find out how many messengers there are. Is it three? That seems like an important number. Jonathan Tweet 00:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC) I marked some of these statements as needing citations. I can't readily find a clean, generally accepted definition of rasul and nabi.
Unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam distinguish between a "rasul" (messenger) and a "nabi" (prophet). Both are "divinely inspired" recipients of God's revelation. However, messengers are given a message for a community in book form[citation needed] and, unlike prophets, are assured success by God[citation needed]. While all messengers are prophets, not all prophets are messengers (see also Itmam al-hujjah).[1][2][3]
- ^ John Esposito(2005), Islam: The Straight Path, p.20
- ^ Amin Ahsan Islahi. Tadabbur-i-Qur'an, vol.8, p.273
- ^ Rasul and nabi
Jonathan Tweet 01:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The statement above implies that there is no prophet/messenger distinction in Judaism and Christianity, yet we read somewhere else in the article (Distinction between Prophets and Messengers section): "According to Uri Rubin, the Qur'an, as in the New Testament, ranks apostles (rasūl) higher than prophets (see 1 Cor 12:28-31; cf. Eph 3:5; 4:11). "
Isn't there a contradiction...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.147.46.242 (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Muhammad was the last Prophet of Allah as stated in the Quran
[edit] Islamic view of -
Whenever 'Isa or Jesus is linked on the article, it links to "Islamic view of Jesus" - yet other prophets are not linked to the same kind of page even though those pages exist, such as "Islamic view of Moses" or "Islamic view of Noah". Should they all correspond, i.e. all should link to their own "Islamic view of -" rather than to just the prophet? Also, the ability of choices, such as in the table for 'Isa and Adam/Eve "Main articles:"?
Modenadude 01:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- The reason is that there was a split between Islamic view of Jesus, Christian views of Jesus and Jewish view of Jesus. Jesus is the main article, which also includes the historical view. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 14:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Paraclete
The Biblical name of Muhammad is Paraclete? This is from what/where? I have the feeling that there is no common agreement on this point, considering the different religions views of one another.
[edit] Number of Messengers and Prophets
While it is commonly accepted that there is about 124,000 (according to some 125,000) prophets, I have never heard of 124,000 messengers. As a subject under the Pillars of Faith, Muslims are required to know the 25 Messengers i.e. the list/links of the wiki pages on each the messengers at the end of the article. Also, since it is stated in there that 124,000 came from Hadith Sahih, care should be taken in translating it and the word used. It must be remembered at all times that a nabi (prophet) is not placed under any responsibility to spread their teaching. A rasul (messenger) however is tasked by God to spread whatever he is taught to others in his community, race or in the case of Muhammad - to mankind and the entire universe as evident in (21:107) We sent thee not, but as a Mercy to all Worlds.
I believe this is the standard interpretation of nabi and rasul by Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah. Thus, I think 124,000 messengers is erroneous unless the arabic text of the hadith can be reproduced for verification.
[edit] Chart of Messengers and Prophets
Greetings. I am integrating my understanding of Christian prophecy with Islam. I have several questions I would like to see included (addressed) in this article.
Firstly, the most famous book of prophecy among Christians, though little understood, is that of "St. John the Divine" (a name of Catholic origin) or "John on Patmos" or "John the apostle Jesus loved" - author of "the Apocalypse of iEsous Cristos" -- an approximation of the Greek "the Revelation of Jesus Christ," A.K.A. Revelation (often miscalled "Revelations.")
Please refer to Revelation 10 [1] for the specific charge "Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings." and specifically in the "Latter days." As an expert of this prophecy I vouch to you that this is specific in chronology, though difficult to discern out of the context of a comprehensive study. I and by general consensus of studied Christians and students of Islam (it is my understanding) see this prophecy is within sight of the present time. Is there a reason, to the expert in the applications of Islam, why this John should not be a messenger of primary import on this table?
Secondly, I conclude with very great certainty of mind and reason, that this charge to prophesy is soon to occur. If it fails to occur -- if there fails to be such a prophet of note as resembles this prophecy perfectly -- then the (Latter days) prophecies themselves must be false. As is often the case between law and practice must occur confliction and psychosis. We must bravely stand up in this to reassure each other -- and this matter is of particular import. Could anyone address authoritatively how this prophecy of prophecy yet to come comports with the claim that Mohammad should be the last prophet and messenger? Since this is a common prophecy between us (and one I am attempting to unify between us) I am particularly concerned about it, and in your response something truly generous will be most appreciated.
I am author of UUNIS.org [2] which is under intensive development off-site. Please consider it.
Sincerely, Xgenei (talk) 07:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- Prophet Mohammad maybe the last prophet, but there is no fact in Qur'an to be the last messenger also! This claim maybe different with the orthodoxy of Islam, I know, but we have no verse in Quran for that, to be honest! Please contact me for lots more info about this and any kind of unification between Islam and Christianity.--تسلیم (talk) 18:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Submitter to Truth: I suppose by making this request i am challenging you to consider certain things that are of common interest. Yet I do not claim to know when and how the divisions of faith can be unified. I believe they will, and I think rather soon -- beginning within a handful of years. But I know that the discussion of faith should be far more vital than it is. And this should begin with making clear that the Latter Days prophecy is something that is already dominant in Western history, though remarkably, no one seems to be conscious of it. That is one of the tasks for UUNIS.org. And I am asking you to consider certain facts that I believe also concerns the Muslim family. Some few of these ideas I am asking to have explained authoritatively and documented here.
So however I can support this effort I am willing to do so. Please let me know, or proceed on your own and I will pay attention. Sincerely, Xgenei (talk) 04:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
[edit] "sharia"
In the intro, could the word "sharia" be replaced by a more common one, perhaps with a footnote recommending the reading of the sharia article? "Law", "rules"?
TIA, --Jerome Potts 04:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Naming consistancies
There seems to be some inconsistancy in the table about whether to use the Arabic or Islamic name. For example, 'Nuh' is referred to as 'Nuh' in the body text, whereas 'Ibrahim' is referred to as 'Abraham' and 'Lut' as 'Lot'.
To me, it would seem more logical to use the Arabic name, but whichever it should be consistent. Ged UK 14:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Consistency is good. It makes sense to mention the Arabic name first, then the Jewish/Christian name for clarification (for example, "Ibrahim (Abraham)". Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 14:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Article image
Article image currently links to the JP Mohammed cartoons? Vandalism? Andersa (talk) 09:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Justice left in the purpose of messengers!
Dear Guys,
Justice as a purpose of messenegers left in the related section. As Quran said in 57:25
لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنا رُسُلَنا بِالْبَيِّناتِ وَ أَنْزَلْنا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتابَ وَ الْميزانَ لِيَقُومَ النَّاسُ بِالْقِسْطِ وَ أَنْزَلْنَا الْحَديدَ فيهِ بَأْسٌ شَديدٌ وَ مَنافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَ لِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ وَ رُسُلَهُ بِالْغَيْبِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزيز
Progressive Muslims translation is this:
We have sent Our messengers with proofs, and We sent down with them the Scripture and the balance, that the people may uphold justice. And We sent down the iron, wherein there is great strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for God to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. God is Powerful, Noble.
Please add Justice as a purpose of messengers also. Thanks --Submitter to Truth (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Krishna in Hadith?
"Krishna, (also mentioned in some books of Hadith"? Which ones? Шизомби (talk) 00:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
[edit] no criticism section?
Magneticstockbrokingpetdetective —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC).
KRISHNA WAS MENTIONED IN THE HADITH.THE SENTENCE OF THE VERSE WAS: THERE WAS A PROPHET OF IN INDIA,HE WAS DARK IN COMPLEXION AND HIS NAME WAS KAHAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.54.74.75 (talk) 08:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Krishna In The Hadith
Apart from the evidence of the Quran, there is one reference which is controversial among the commentators. There is a tradition reported from the Holy Prophet (sa) which speaks of an Indian prophet by name. In his words:
There was a prophet of God in India who was dark in colour and his name was Kahan.1
Now anyone acquainted with the history of Indian religions would immediately connect this description to Lord Krishna, who is invariably described in the Hindu literature as being dark of complexion. Also, the title Kanhaya is added to his name Krishna. Kanhaya contains the same consonants K,N,H as does the name Kahan . There is no denying the fact that the Holy Quran makes it incumbent on every Muslim not only to believe in all the prophets, but it also clearly informs us that in every region of the world and in every age, God did raise messengers and prophets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.104.78 (talk) 02:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Krishna In The Hadith:The Arabic Translation
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) also said: "Kanna filhindhi nabiyyun asvadhul lavni ismuhoo Kahina - A Prophet appeared in India. He was black in complexion. His name was Kahina". This saying (Hadith) is found in the book 'Firdowsul Akbar' by Hazrat Thylami. The word Kahina denotes to Sri Krishna who is also called as 'Kanayya' and 'Kannan' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.104.78 (talk) 02:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Shith (Seth)
I am currently reading Imam Abu Hanifa's Al Fiqh al-Akbar. In the section regarding belief in the Messengers, he states that Shith (Commentary and translation as 'Seth'), was given 50 scriptures.
I believe an addition should be made, as well as a page on the Islamic view of the Hebrew Prophet Seth. M2k41 (talk) 18:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, Sheeth was a Nabi, so was Yusha bin Noon... They both should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.58.81.176 (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Rasul, Nabi
Currently, the introduction reads "While every rasul is a nabi, not every nabi is a rasul."
This is in conflict with the later statement: "Islam regards Jesus as a rasul (and sometimes as a nabi) ". Clearly if every rasul is a nabi, the "sometimes" would not be necessary. Also, the table in section 3 lists several people who are marked as rasuls but not nabi. This conflict needs to be resolved. Ordinary Person (talk) 06:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Other Prophets
How about Shem,Aram,Apollonius of tyana,Balaam and Zulqarnain(which was either Alexander the great or Cyrus the Great) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.52.39.199 (talk) 03:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Torah is not assigned directly to moses in Quran
Dear friends,
Torah or Torat is not assigned directly in any verse to Moses in Quran. And it is very clear because some parts of Torah was written after the death of Moses by Joshua or other prophets. So Quran confirm Totah as a holy book but never assigned it directly to Moses. The book that assigned directly to Moses is only the scrolls of Moses(Suhuf Mossa) we have a lot of this common misunderstanding in the edits please pay attention.--تسلیم (talk) 09:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC) You are right , in Quran word musa has been occured 136 times and taurah word 18 times, no where is written that musa pbuh alone was given taurat but all the prophets governed with taurat in 5:44. There is a similar word "Torah" in hebrew which means "instructions" and arabic word taurat has meaning " Law". The quranic word taurat doesnot mean a book given to Musa pbuh. At-taurat is an attribute of Al-kitab in Quran. All the prophets in quran have Al=kitab 2:213 and prphets in plural governing with taurat 5:44. --Farrukh38 (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Prophets and Messengers in the Qu'ran
I would like to delete this section, most of it is wrong and there is no point in having this section. The Qu'ran refers to these people and does state what there rank is but the truth is they are all prophets. We cannot just say that one person is a prophet and not a messenger. It just doesn't work like that. Also, the table shows that Muhammad(SAW) is not an Imam. But Muhammad(SAW) has been given the title 'Imaam of the prophets'. And on the Night of Ascent he led all the prophets in prayer. I think this table is confusing people and giving them the wrong information on this subject.
--MFHEagle123 12:32, 29th October 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 12:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC).
