Talk:Prussia

Redirect to Kingdom of Prussia per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:CFORK

The current article is largely a content fork of Kingdom of Prussia, which is the primary topic for the term ambiguous term Prussia. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:CFORK, Prussia should redirect to Kingdom of Prussia. Since this article (Prussia) is slightly more developed than Kingdom of Prussia, the relevant sourced parts should be merged before redirecting. Comments? 07:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, redirecting would be wrong, Prussia and the Kingdom of Prussia are not the same. Prussia existed before and after the Kingdom of that name. (The home of the Old Prussians, the realm of the German Knights, a Polish Duchy and a state of the Weimar Republic). --Kgfleischmann (talk) 11:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I am aware of the different meanings of Prussia, that's why I referred to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The region or duchy of Prussia you mentioned above are not the same as the Berlin-based state (kingdom) of Prussia this article is about. If someone is looking for "Prussia", they usually mean the kingdom (see traffic stats), not the region and the provinces/duchies therein. As for the free state, a "free state" is nothing but a former kingdom, and Prussia's time as a free state was only the time of the Weimar Republic (i.e. a decade). The time Prussia was a great player of international (and national) importance was the time of the kingdom, 1701-1918. In any case, it does not make sense to have two articles, this one and Kingdom of Prussia, which are largely identical and cover the same topic. For everything named Prussia beside the kingdom, there is a dab page and dedicated articles. Skäpperöd (talk) 12:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

This article is about more than the kingdom, possibly you should study the table f contents. I could agree to make Kingdom of Prussia a redirect to paragraph 5 of this article. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Section 5 (about 80% of the article) is a copy of Kingdom of Prussia, or vice versa, therefore the CFORK argument. All other sections consist of just a few paragraphs without any subsections. Section 2 deals with geography and population of the kingdom, section 1 explains the Prussian flag and CoA. What remains are the sections "free state" and "end" - these are an abstract of the few years of aftermath, link the main articles and would well fit in the "kingdom" article also. The section "brandenburg-prussia" is about the precursor and legitimately serves as background. The section "Early history" should be cut and replaced by "ethymology", "name" or something, as it is not about the early history of the state of prussia, but of the region with that name.

I would not object to have "kingdom of prussia" redirect here and keep this article focussed on the kingdom, as is the case now. What I do object to is two articles about the same topic, which are largely mirrors and both in bad shape. I have just turned Brandenburg-Prussia, which was in a likewise messy and unsourced state, into a well-referenced article, and intend to start working on the kingdom article too, but I want to have the technical stuff sorted out first. I don't want to invest my time and efforts in a merging candidate, nor do I want to contribute to the current state of content forking. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Would titling the main article Prussia with a major section about Kingdom of Prussia (and presumably the other meanings) work? --Bermicourt (talk) 16:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, either we have no primary topic, then Prussia needs to direct to Prussia (disambiguation). Or we have a primary topic, then Prussia needs to direct to Kingdom of Prussia. I believe that "Kingdom of Prussia" is the primary topic, and back this by the traffic stats as well as common sense (If someone says "Prussian army", "Prussian virtues", "Prussian foo" without a qualifier, then one will think of the state of Prussia - if the duchy, province or region is meant, this is usually qualified by context). Skäpperöd (talk) 17:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Redirecting to Prussia (disambiguation) is possibly the best idea. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 07:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

"If someone is looking for "Prussia", they usually mean the kingdom..." is the perfect reason not to merge, damn any rule to the contrary. Being so, there's need to find/display that there's more to Prussia than the Kingdom of Prussia. In a nutshell. Regards, --G-41614 (talk) 05:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree having looked at all the articles in question. Prussia should be the overarching, top-level article covering the entire period from the Old Prussians through the Duchy of Prussia, Kingdom of Prussia, Free State of Prussia (1918-1933) to Free State of Prussia (1933-1935) and Prussian should redirect to Prussia (there are thousands of links to Prussia and hundreds to Prussian). It should have sections summarising the subordinate articles headed up by hatnotes e.g. a section summarising the Duchy of Prussia with a {{main article}} hatnote to the Duchy of Prussia. This will entail reducing the emphasis in the Prussia article on the Kingdom of Prussia and beefing up the other sections to make it more balanced. --Bermicourt (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

What is this? Prussia is Prussia, not Kingdom of Prussia. Teutonic knights exterminated Prussian population. If you are looking for Prussia, then you should not be finding Kingdom of Prussia. Simply two diffrent things. What you guys are doing is CHANGING HISTORY, so wake up. KTTdestroyer (talk) 14:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

We haven't changed anything yet. We're just having a discussion. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I think Kingdom of Prussia should be merged into this article. Nothing is lost and it makes it easier for users. Rjensen (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Prussia "the old continent" dates back to 1400 B.C.

'East Prussia' as the Wikipedia article states dates Prussia back to the 14th Century. Dating Prussia to 1701 should be only referenced to the first King of Prussia and have no relevance to Prussia itself as Prussia goes farther back than the germanic Kings of Prussia as it becomes Kaliningrad Pussia as the Kingdom of Prussia. This is what is known on Wikipedia.

What is NOT KNOWN on Wikipedia is:

1. Prussia dates back to 1400 B.C. as the "old continent"

2. Ukraine was the first developed country under the continent Prussia

3. Prussia was the territorial claims by the inhabited "slavs" to mark territorial borders away from "the middle east"

4. Prussian was the first launguage of the slavic dialect "broken words"

5. Prussians was slang for outcasts of the "ancient middle east" of mesopotamia

70.181.249.210 (talk) 06:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to add that Prussia is really Pussia and Persia is really Ersia. 70.181.249.210 (talk) 06:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Ersia was the name of Earth at the time. Persia is Pussia and Ersia combined together I guess. Wikigov (talk) 07:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

What on earth is going on here? john k (talk) 12:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Can there not be just one uncomplicated sentence?

wtf?

Let's just say that I'm in my 40s and I failed Geography eons ago. I am presently reading about WWI and thought I could find a simple answer about where Prussia would have been. Instead I am greeted, in the opening section, with information overload. I would suggest a simple sentence that says "Prussia was an area consisting of this country and part of this country and part of this area but dates back to blah, blah, blah." Also this map is not helpful at all. It looks like a child coloring book except that there are no numbers to tell me what is what. Don't get me wrong, I sincerely appreciate every effort, but from an average reader standpoint, this really isn't very helpful. MagnoliaSouth ^(talk) 03:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the map: What part of: "Prussia (blue)" in the caption beneath it is it that's too hard for you to understand? WTF indeed. Observe: average reader |= brainless bozo reader.77.5.100.69 (talk) 21:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not certain where you fit in to this article, it would appear you are a contributer who failed to login in order to make your ridiculous comment calling someone a brainless bozo reader. No matter, it is an offensive remark, granted the previous post was also a bit hostile in nature but you had no reason to directly insult the person who is merely trying to figure out where Prussia's borders were during WWI. In comparing this Wiki to others of now broken up or absorbed kingdoms, states, countries, etc. Prussia in particular is indeed lacking what the rest of them have, and it happens to be exactly what the previous post refers to. That is a brief introductory statement that gives a simple description of where the area is. There are hundreds of examples and it is the norm, not some outlandish request. Examples: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), Ottoman Empire, Achaemenid Empire, ad nauseum. As a matter of fact this is the only one I have come across that does not have a written description. So please do consider the fact the Prussia Wiki is not in fact following precedent, a very simple one or two sentence explanation of Prussia's approximate borders "at its peak" would clear up the discrepancy and improve the Prussia Wiki. If it is not something you can do, I will request it be done by someone else.75.17.215.115 (talk) 20:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC) J. Scott

I'm almost certain that Prussia did not move it's capital to Berlin in 1451. Fix it someone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.215.16 (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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