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Protection?[edit]

Why has this page been protected so long just because of a minor vandal problem? Trelyon (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it was a "minor vandal" problem. From the recent histroy, a vandal using changing IPs kept vandalizing the page. The protection was appropriate. Acalamari 17:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I too am disappointed this page is protected. I have numerous comments I would take some delight in adding to it. And I'm sure they would additionally be of great interest to others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.82.191 (talk) 04:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no longer a hype for this band. They haven't done anything worth noting and the initial "shock" value they created has long since died down. If anything, this page should be deleted. These girls are only known by maybe a dozen people, if that. The little media cover that they were exposed to are probably lining bird cages in some basement in Africa somewhere. That RuneScape player "Zezima" garners far far more attention than this band yet he doesn't have his own personal page. (Theundertower (talk) 04:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC))
Well, notability doesn't expire. You can take it to WP:AFD if you wish to have the article deleted. See ya. Nice name btw. the_undertow talk 05:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
As you can see here this article still averages 200-400 hits a day. And as for Zezima, if you think it deserves to be more than just a redirect to RuneScape (which it currently is) then why don't you create an article for it?. Although, as you can see here it rarely gets over 200 hits in a day. Either way it has nothing to do with this article. And this article was nominated for deletion just last month and the result was speedy keep. For An Angel (talk) 05:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
True, but you should note that the reason for the speedy keep was because the nominator was acting in bad faith & harassing the voters. If there had been a good faith nomination it's quite possible the deletion would have been approved. I'm an inclusionist by nature so I won't be nominating it or voting for deletion. I'm just saying that you shouldn't give the previous afd as an example of the page's notability; the speedy keep was per bad faith nomination & had little to do with article notability. Cheers, Kasreyn (talk) 07:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the ongoing notability of the group, I just checked a newspaper archive and found four mentions from 2007, one of them fairly substantial (about the family's move to Wyoming where the almost all-white neighbors "told them flatly that they weren't wanted"). The other three were reviews of a TV documentary about the band that aired in the U.K titled "Nazi Pop Twins". ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the page should be deleted - I only ever visit it to show their pictures the middle finger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.192.11 (talk) 22:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
And just because of You, 86.168.192.11 and simmilar folks, this page should not be deleted.77.46.244.182 (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Does the band still exist?[edit]

Their website is gone, as is their forum. It's obvious this band is dead. Whether it's member sare dead or simply turned Zionist is as yet unknown though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aisteach (talkcontribs) 04:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Just because the website is gone doesn't mean the band is dead. It doesn't even mean that they broke up. Sites go offline all the time for other reasons. I think we should just wait and see. For An Angel (talk) 05:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Their mother has't posted on Stormfront or any other forum for two weeks now. This is further proof they are probably not around anymore. I don't know what there fate was, though. Aisteach (talk) 05:04, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Probably in the studio, covering some Fall Out Boy songs. I have no idea. But I did revert the Zionist implication because that would be somewhat of a 180. the_undertow talk 05:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think their dead really though. Now that I've thought about it more, it is most likely their mother renounced white nationalism and got rid of the band, and is now a church-going Christian. That's highly likely. Aisteach (talk) 05:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe they just decided to take a vacation. Geez, it's only been two weeks. For An Angel (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I just happened to try the link to their official site and noticed it was back up so I added it back to the article. Not sure how long ago it was brought back up but I guess it wasn't that long ago. For An Angel (talk) 13:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The new link of his website: http://thewhiterealist.net/index.php

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.141.165.81 (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC) 
Umm, that's just some racist forum. Does the band actually still exist? Do they still perform? If not, someone hsould put the article in the past tense. Maybe someone can just ask them via email if their band is dead now?
As a separate question, what is their criteria for notability? Did they sell enough albums? Or are the just notable because they were controversial? I didn't read the article too closely, but I didn't see the criteria there. Any article of questionable notability should normally make its notability criteria clear, say by mentioning the number of albums sold. JeffBurdges (talk) 14:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Going by a documentary about the twins and their family, there's a good chance that the girls gave up the white nationalist stuff. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.22.177 (talk) 15:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Even if the band does not release any more records, this does not mean that the article has no value. Wikipedia has many, many articles about bands which broke up years ago. 76.104.42.78 (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning up after the storm[edit]

Although it looks like most of the worst bunchanumbers edit war got repaired, I noticed the phrase "The second, Nazi Pop Twins, an anti-white video,by James Quinn" was over looked. I went ahead and changed it back to The second, Nazi Pop Twins,by James Quinn, in the absence of any support. Hope it's not a problem Karma Konstable (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem[edit]

It may be too POV for the article, but there should be a way to mention this: regardless of their message, these girls just can't SING. Their act sounds like a cross between Karioke night at Chuck E. Cheese and a junior high school open mike. Are there any musical critiques to link to that mention this? 65.89.68.24 (talk) 04:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Prussian Blue?![edit]

FYI: The "official" Prussian colors were Black and White. Not much potential here for racism...

>>> Prussia

GoreSplatter (talk) 22:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

it refers to a chemical that holocaust deniers refer to in denying the holocaust, saying it wasn't present at N/azi gas chambers218.102.83.254 (talk) 07:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The color of the Prussian uniforms were blue. Their flag was black and white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.107.13 (talk) 10:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Prussian Blue is the specific color of blue of the uniforms themselves, but the band's name might be kind of tongue-in-cheek because it was one of the first synthetic paints and invented by a German, to boot. You'll see it called Berlin blue as well. It's a dark, fairly natural sort of blue, well suited towards landscapes and such. It's extremely complex and very traditional, maybe something else the band was going for? It's not as popular today as in the past, with blues like phthalo or cobalt allowing for more versatility as a pigment, but a few artists do swear by it. Irony there too, perhaps, as the band's views represent a (hopefully) vanishing minority of the population? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.150.238 (talk) 03:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

There are three bands called Prussian Blue[edit]

See [2]. There absolutely, absolutely needs to be a disambiguation between the three. The other two bands are not racist at all and if people come to Wikipedia to look for information on one of the other Prussian Blues, they might get the impression that we are trying to smear them as racist. Which we are obviously not trying to do, but we need to remain on the safe side. Would someone who knows how to do it, please create a disambiguation ASAP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.99.104.234 (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

There's currently a disambig. between the racist duo and the color, but not for the other two bands. Are these bands notable enough on their own to warrant their own articles (and a spot on the disambig.), or are they only notable because they share a name with this group? 68.57.50.6 (talk) 12:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello, you've mentioned that there's already a disambiguation page between this band and the color? Ahh, if there is one, is it functioning normally? The reason why I ask is because I tried searching for the color, "Prussian blue", but I capitalized the B in blue, typing in "Prussian Blue", and it brought me here straight here instead of any disambiguation page. I'm just wondering because that doesn't seem normal; I thought that normally it should bring me to a disambiguation page? Let me tell you, I was just expecting to read the article on the color, not this. . . very unsettling article here instead. Also, I'm sorry ahead of time if this comment/question is out of place, if it is, please let me know. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by FelixtheMagnificent (talkcontribs) 14:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Louios Theroux[edit]

They were featured on a program with louis theroux. Is that relevent? the program was abou naziism is america. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.79.43 (talk) 02:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

health problems?[edit]

The text mentioned health problems but the link (http://thewhiterealist.net/showthread.php?t=22253) seems to not work any more. I hope the girls are fine! 92.192.6.152 (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

NOT SUPREMACIST[edit]

Pigment[edit]

This page needs disambiguation from Prussian Blue, the pigment aka iron(III) hexacyanoferrate(II) Cvhorie (talk) 20:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

It's there. The very first line says:
For the color and iron–cyanide complex, see Prussian blue.
Is that insufficiently clear?   Will Beback  talk  22:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Prussian BluePrussian Blue (American duo)Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC) The current title is too similar to Prussian blue, the colour, which is far more notable than this defunct band/duo thingy. There are several incoming links to this article which obviously think they're referring to the colour. I'm not actually sure if "(American duo)" is the best disambiguation, but it was the best I came up with. The main thing is that there needs to be some disambiguation. JIP | Talk 19:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Oppose per WP:PRECISION. Capitalization is perfectly acceptable disambiguation for titles. As stated in the section above, hatnotes take care of any possible confusion. And, unless they've already been cleaned up, I found only one incoming link from mainspace intending the color (art forgery, which I fixed). Station1 (talk) 00:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Unsure; sometimes disambiguation via capitalization is okay, and sometimes it's confusing. This looks like a borderline case to me, so I'm leaning toward supporting a more explicit disambiguation -- especially given the relative unimportance of these girls post-media-hype. Powers T 13:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose per wp:precision and Station1's good arguments. If people hit that shift button, it makes it more probable it's the duo they're looking for (unless it's a typing error, which should be discounted). The fact that their notability is borderline is an argument for following the guidelines more strictly; less it opens the door to eliminationist arguments like "this kind of article is not notable enough to merit a hat note.", and such. walk victor falk talk 15:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
    • That's a slippery-slope fallacy. I'm not suggesting their notability is in question anyway, merely that they are not an important topic in the encyclopedia. (Not that colors are of any great importance either...) Powers T 16:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
      • Not suggesting you're questioning their notability, merely that others might (addressing the fact that they're not a generally popular duo). Important or not, the treatment should be the same. walk victor falk talk 16:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • What I mean is that what is good enough for Forest green, Forest Green and Village green, Village Green, should be good enough for Prussian blue and Prussian Bluewalk victor falk talk 17:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose Agree with the proposed move because of the relative notability of the band and the chemical/colour. Wikipedia is ultimately a practical tool and we should make it as easy as possible for people to use. The overwhelming majority of people are interested in the chemical/colour rather than the band and so the number of people inconvenienced by looking for the chemical/colour and taken to the wrong article probably vastly outweighs the number who look for, and find, the band first time because of the current naming scheme.
    Here are links to Grok statistics on Prussian blue [3] and Prussian Blue (band) [4] for September 2009. The band article was moved to Prussian Blue in October 2009 — as Grok does not discriminate between upper case and lower case titles, more recent Prussian Blue/blue plots ([5] and [6]) are not useful as they are an aggregate of both articles. The band article was getting about 3 or 4 hits a day, the chemical/colour 650 hits a day. Anyone looking for the band and going to the colour page will have probably gone onto the band page from there since at that time there was a link to a Prussian blue (disambiguation) page. Jll (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
So the hat note would read "For the musical duo, see Prussian Blue (American duo)". This is the height of redundancy. walk victor falk talk 08:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Prussians are Lithuanians[edit]

not germans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.116.140 (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Being of Prussian descent and having knowledge in regards to what is formerly known as "Prussia," you are inaccurate.98.250.41.169 (talk) 17:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I am glad they are not White Nationalists any more[edit]

Listen, I am glad these girls have renounced to their previous racist, hate speech ideologies. No one has the right to discriminate against a different race or skin color. That simply doesn't deserve any discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.100.91.154 (talk) 16:41, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

What on earth has your personal preference got to do with a factual article??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.10.199 (talk) 09:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Reference #7 - Holocaust denial Error[edit]

I just checked the article to see what it states about their alleged Holocaust denial. The reference appears to the second to last paragraph of the article; they don't explicitly deny the Holocaust, and seem to implicitly accept it, but in either case, it is too vague for this article to credibly make a statement either way without being unfair to the girls. I recommend alteration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.142.48.96 (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC[edit]

BulbBAn RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Removing mention of "ideas."[edit]

"Despite this, they still made statements skeptical of elements of the Holocaust.[7]"

This is speculation and should be removed from the article. Wikipedia is supposed to be an Encyclopedia-like documentation of things, not a forum to make off-collar statements regarding what this or that individual may have said that raises doubt in the minds of a writer. The entire article is somewhat messed up, to be franc, the girls were so young when their act began it was obviously based on something they'd been raised to believe.

This Wikipedia article is like a bulls eye with a big black target on their lives, and instead of documenting a time of their lives that they both feel is no longer relevant, it continues to paint them in this light or another. Even the "legitimate" edits and documentation in regards to this or that is in bad taste. Wikipedia is supposed to be "the free Encyclopedia that anyone can edit," but it seems like this page (among others) is more used by certain personal interests with their own agendas and there is too much bias. -70.66.90.57 (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

2012 article[edit]

Found this article which updates the lives of the twins and how (apparently) marijuana saved them from their racist ways. Maybe someone can find something appropriate to add to the article. Phiwum (talk) 03:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)