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This article did seem to project a biased view in its language, using esoteric and possibly inappropriate ways of describing such an experience... as someones else said "as if they've had one". I believe we should only cite that which is factual information based from credible sources with substantial knowledge of Psychology and/or Pharmaceutical/Psychoactive topics. This is why I'm subjecting it to a clean up, so that we may add to the amount of information on the subject without making it sound like an anecdotal recall of ones own experience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MahJesus (talk • contribs) 04:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Statements like "Satori" etc need to be qualified and not just postulated as the theoretical end-point of potential "crazy experience." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I also made a small edit to the "level 5" part of the psychedelic experience, im pretty new my self to the Wikipedian community. How ever I am not new to the study of and extreme experience with pychedelics. You could call me a Psychonaut if you will. Please let me know if anyting I edit isn't up to wikipedia's standards considering my lack of knowledge in the wikipedian ways.
MADE A FEW EDITS
Im a wiki beginner, so plz let me know what else is needed.
It was requested that I elaborate on the tags I placed on the page, and so I shall do so.
The language of the article is questionable at best. I wouldn't say it violates NPOV precisely, but it seems to be written from the perspective of one who has experienced such an...experience.
Much of the article seems anecdotal, and is written with an almost reverent tone. Could I describe to you the exact tone with which this article should be written? Certainly not. Something as abstract as a psychedelic experience may not be describable in an encyclopedic tone. However, it seemed worth bringing up if only to provoke discussion of the matter.
As for the other tag, it relates further to the anecdotal nature of the article. While much of what appears in the article may be accurate, it speaks solely in a subjective manner about such experiences. Perhaps the article could be expanded to include survey data, medical research, and the like. Objective facts about psychedelia that could be used to provide a broader picture, and make the article accessible to a broader audience. As I see this is part of a group project, I will leave it to your due consideration. Juansmith 05:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a few books which contain plenty of references and citations that can be used to bolster up this article, and remove the original research worry. BTW, much of what is on this page cames from Erowid, which is a respected resource in itself. --Thoric 21:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Among notable 'mind explorers' is listed William White; this link is to a disambiguation page and there is no contextual information to allow selection of which person is being referred to here. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this article is rather amatuerish. Do we have any DSM discussion of psychedelic drugs, any citations on some of the alleged "mind explorers?" -22.214.171.124 16:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
"dmt is one of the most powerful..." yeah, that bit. surely LSD is waaaaay more powerful cos the doses are much smaller. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
It's been stated what are effects of high dosage of LSD but it we haven't been informed what high dosage DMT could capable of, its mid-level could achieve level5 5 so higher dosage, what does it do? kills? Death? Mind beath? That's the only thing we havent been informed about. Thanks 188.8.131.52 (talk) 05:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Erdem
(moved from article page)
- This is someones response after going through all these levels.
- This must be the most detailed on how a drug works, this is exactly how I feel. Someone who has never did a drug before, need something to read for info on how it works? Better read this, this great info.
Quality of the Page
this page I've found to be the best on the subject of psychedelics in general. the bottom line is that it's still in its infancy.
an expert could talk about its relation to transpersonal psychology, to entheogenic use, to Huxley's mind at large, etc.
The Tripping Game
Alright this is obviously OR, but it's true, don't ask me how, I just um.... Let's just say I do.
The above levels and related drug doses are not the whole story. Level 5 can be reached at a low dose(or none)via meditation. There is a game of distraction played by the mind during the progression from level to level.Our eyes try to focus on any movement they detect, real or imagined our brain tries to make sense of the image.This reaction needs to be supressed in order to free the minds eye.If you are able to ignore the visions you are seeing, the images and sensations become stronger. As you reach the higher levels it becomes very difficult to ignore the distractions as they are much more profound.You may feel something touching you, see words or shapes forming before your eyes. The trick is to just accept these events without thinking about them. When you reach level 5 events are as real to you as life is,yet if you have got there by this technique, you will still know it to be a trip. With high dose level 5 trips, you may lose your sense of reality completely. Trance music is very good at helping you with the tripping game and "vulvaland" by mouse on mars is often used by veteren trippers
This is OR, but I leave this here for posterity's sake, hopefully someone can find a good source...
What about dissociatives and deliriants
Should the effects of dissociatives and deliriants be added to the page? DXM is mentioned but deliriants are not mentioned at all. I'm thinking we should mention some of the deliriants like DPH or datura given the strong hallucinations they cause YVNP (talk) 22:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed, and in addition, the trip levels should be differentiated. Dissociative hallucinogens like DXM, ketamine or PCP usually don't cause open eye hallucinations at any dose but disintegration of the ego already occurs at modest doses (since this is their primary effect, duh).
- The present categorization is clearly written for serotonergic hallucinogens (except for level 5 which includes high dose effects of dissoc. haluc.s).
On 24th of January 2010 JamesBWatson deleted my link Publicly expressed thoughts and ideas about the effects of psychedelic drugs on bases of WP:ELNO. Probably meaning the point 12. that deals about open wikis. If you check this wiki you will see there is source for every claim and the ones that are not sourced are stated as rumours. Do you think I could edit the link back to this article?--Custoo (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- I strongly support the addition of the link, it being decently sourced. --Aukikco (talk) 14:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Well I've been wating a week and a half here so maybe I'll just edit the link back in. If you JamesBWatson or someone else see that the link needs to be deleted then please participate in this discussion! --Custoo (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Is there any information out there on how these drugs affect the brain physiologically and cause the described effects? User:184.108.40.206 01:39, 15 June 2012
- I found this article that may be of interest re. your question...maybe add a section on endogenously triggered psychedelic experiences? Paul G. Joseph (2012), Serotonergic and tryptaminergic overstimulation on refeeding implicated in “enlightenment” experiences
- Octavious88 (talk) 17:04, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
- This article has been discussed extensively at Talk:Enlightenment (spiritual)#Scientific Considerations and Talk:Enlightenment (spiritual)#''Scientific Consideration'' and been rejected, as being unreliable. Main partcicipant in this discussion was User:Raul7213 and his puppetshow (user:Lotus sutra81 and User:Enterodoc9. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC)