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Shouldn't there be different articles for Punjab, India and Punjab, Pakistan? If there are, they should be mentioned here. - Hemanshu 08:45, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, there are articles for both Punjab, India and Punjab, Pakistan. Sunray 09:11, 2004 Jan 29 (UTC)
There are pretty many stubs in the village sections .. for example Rauni (village). could anyone competent fix those up?
Rice and wheat statistics
Removed this "This why the region contributes to 40% of India's food needs, called "the Granary of India". Indian Punjab produces 40-50% of India's rice, 60-70% of India's wheat. Indian Punjab produces 1% of Rice, 2% of Wheat and 2% of Cotton of the World. "
Imc PLEASE REVIEW OFFICIAL Government Of India Websites, first, before making poorly researched comments on accuracy of data, for this article.
OFFICIAL Government Of India Website for the Indian state of Punjab.
- To the unsigned contributor at 220.127.116.11 who accused me of making poorly researched comments on accurary of data. I'll stand by the accuracy of my comments and data. You have misrepresented the Punjab government data. At http://punjabgovt.nic.in/PUNJABATAGLANCE/AgricultureEconomy.htm it says "Percentage contribution of wheat and rice to the Central Pool is 64.1 and 42 respectively,...”. This does not contradict the figures given at the IRRI site at all, since that refers to the total production, of the state and of the country.
- You have transformed the above statement at the Punjab government site to - “Indian Punjab produces 40-50% of India's rice, 60-70% of India's wheat.” . This is about as inaccurate an interpretation of statistics as you can get. The 'Central Pool' is the stock of food held by the central government, for reserves, price control purposes, et.c. Punjab could well be the major contributor to that. But you are confusing it with the total production of the country, which is vastly greater. Another similar sized region might conceivably have the same productivity as Punjab, but if it exported most of its production, then its contribution to the central pool could be zero.
- I've removed the misinterpreted statistics again. Feel free to put them back in, with an adequate reference to the central pool, (which should then include an explanation of what it is).
- Imc 30 June 2005 17:03 (UTC)
Irrespective of your speculative comments on the central pool. You should NOT have removed "Indian Punjab produces 1% of Rice, 2% of Wheat and 2% of Cotton of the World." This data is from an official Indian government website and CANNOT be white washed. As a westerner from the EU, your behaviour has provided me with an insight of your mind's prejudices against this state. You should accept this "Indian Punjab produces 1% of Rice, 2% of Wheat and 2% of Cotton of the World." In addition this state per capita leads the rest of India. This state, Punjab, is small in size compared to the average size Indian state. One can only imagine how this state could transform India for the better if it was bigger (if average sized). When I think of the individual states of India, this state's per capita output stands as beacon of hope. The richest people (on average) in the Indian union per capita are Punjabi. The current PM, Dr Singh, of India came from this state and it was his philosophy of economic liberalization that led to the excellent economic growth, from the rubbish growth before. Most people from EU are most impressed with this state, Punjab, than any other state in India- the people and impressive results. One can only imagine how this state could transform India for the better if it was bigger (if average sized) and not small.
- Paul Keaton 30 June 2005 20:03.
This article should make adequate mention of Haryana. There are some references, and I've added a few more. But this state is also part of the historic region of Punjab, even if it no longer bears the name. Imc 09:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
So, when was partition reversed?
>"The area that is now known as the Greater Punjab comprises what were once vast territories of eastern Pakistan and northern western India."
I did not know India and Pakistan had been reunified! (It appears that [this] bit of copyediting inadvertently reversed the time sense of the sentence.)
Map of Punjab
THe current of map of the Punjab shown on this page is not correct. As it leaves out the Jammu province, it gives out an impression that Jammu is not part of the Punjab. There is a little doubt, from the dialects' distribution of the Punjabi language and cultural similarity, that Jammu province is part of the Punjab region. I am attaching links to two maps 1) Topographical map 2) Dialects distribution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Sikh_War ... Refer this map for topography of the Punjab. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_language#Dialects_of_Punjabi_and_related_languages ...
- The first of the two maps mentioned above was originally used here, but was held to be unsatisfactory and removed by an editor. It could be modified. I'll try and find time to do that.
The second map mentioned is already in the article. Apuldram (talk) 21:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help Vickle1777. I have made another try. Please anyone let me know if it still needs attention. The map omits the current province/state boundaries as they don't depict the original historical region. Apuldram (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Geographic or political?
Nikhilmn2002 has repeatedly replaced the geographic map of the Punjab region File:Punjab map (topographic) with cities.png (PMT) by a political map File:Punjab region 2.png (PR2) without giving any reason for the change. That looks like edit warring.
The political map PR2 has been described as incorrect by another editor, see above. In addition, it is unsatisfactory because the article is about the geographical region - the land of five rivers, and PR2 does not show the key features of the region – the five rivers. The political boundaries, divisions and subdivisions have changed many times over the long history of the region and the current boundary shown in PR2 has no special significance in the context of this article. Readers seeking past and present political boundaries will find the information in the many relevant Wikipedia articles - the Sikh Empire, Punjab Province (British India), Punjab, Pakistan, Punjab, India, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana etc.
From time to time Jammu is incorrectly removed from the list of places in the region and has to be replaced by an autoconfirmed editor.
This article is about the geographic region defined by the five rivers. Whether or not a place is within the region is determined by geography, not by political divisions or editors' opinions. The city of Jammu lies,at an elevation similar to that of Chandigarh, between the Chenab and Ravi, two of the rivers that historically define the Punjab region. This can be verified by reference to any good geographical map of the region. Jammu is located in the Punjab Doabs of the Punjab region.. The city itself and some districts are in the Rechna Doab, but some districts lie in the Jech Doab.
Some editors confuse Jammu City and districts, which are wholly within the Punjab region, with the state Jammu and Kashmir, only part of which is in the region.
I have added citations to the article, references to a map and to one of several Wikipedia articles which verify that Jammu is in the region. Apuldram (talk) 12:10, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- There is no "historical" definition of Punjab because the region has never been clearly defined before the British decided what its political boundaries were. The Mughals never clearly defined what or where Punjab's boundaries are yet they were they ones to formally introduce the name to northwest India, generally splitting it between the provinces of Multan and Lahore. The British then gave their own shape to Punjab, which was different to that of the Mughals, at one point incorporating parts of Afghanistan into it (later split off to form NWFP) in addition to the old Hariana and so-called hill states. What you're doing here is original research by trying to include Jammu into Punjab. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- I think this page may require protection, as 22.214.171.124 may be trolling or may not know basic punjabi, PUNJ AB Punj (five) AB (water/rivers) Punjab = The land of five five rivers. Restating Apuldram, "This article is about the geographic region defined by the five rivers. Whether or not a place is within the region is determined by geography, not by political divisions or editors' opinions." This is not about the Punjab province. Clearly the Punjab region is at minimum the land between those five rivers, so all those areas must be included.
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I have removed the population figures from the table in section 4 Major cities. These were mostly out of date and those that had been updated were not from consistent sources or times. New figures could be introduced if an editor can find a verifiable authoritative source, such as a census, that provides a consistent basis for all of the cities. Apuldram (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC)