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Former good article nominee Purdue University was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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e·h·w·Stock post message.svg To-do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Article requests: Add media to the article
  • Merge: Encapsulate [Purdue University#Campus
  • Update: number of students as it changes
  • Wikify: Put more references
Priority 1 (top)

Article needs serious help[edit]

This article seems to be in worse shape than it was 6 or 12 months ago. Let's try to fix some of the bigger problems and make this a Good Article candidate.

A few possible starting points:

  • "History" section contains one paragraph about the first 35 years of the university, a huge sub-section on 20th century aviation, and that's it. This section needs to be fleshed out and appropriately balanced to cover the entire 140+ years.
  • "History" section contains a laundry list of landmarks. Why?
  • Structure of colleges/schools in "Academics" section is inexplicably tacked on to the end of the "Research" sub-section. Moreover, the tables there are big, ugly, and verbose.
  • Presidents' names in "Presidents" sub-section are boldfaced for no clear reason.
  • "Sustainability" sub-section in "Administration" section feels very out-of-place. Same is true of "Libraries" sub-section in "Student life" section.
  • Tons of too-short paragraphs (e.g., one or two sentences).
  • "Traditions" section, despite being one of the largest in the article, contains almost no references. It also appears that the "University Seal" section should really be a sub-section of "Traditions." In general, though, this section is too detailed and list-y.
  • Most references in the article are bare URLs.
  • "See also" section is redundant with the nearby Book:Purdue University box and doesn't actually include any articles.

Anything big I've left out? MaxVeers (talk) 22:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know why the buildings listed are a subsection of "20th century-Aviation and Aeronautics" under history? That doesn't seem right. But I'm not sure where they should go. ~Lewis1350 (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Nice work restructuring. :D I'd be very willing to help out with this article as much as possible. (I'm currently attending.) ~Lewis1350 (talk) 03:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm an alum myself. The article needs a ton of work, though. We'd almost want to start from scratch. I'd estimate at least 30-40% of what's in the article needs to go (non-notable content). Basically, we want to get it looking like this or this or this. MaxVeers (talk) 05:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Wow, those do look good! It also looks like WP:UNIGUIDE could be useful. ~Lewis1350 (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

This is still horrible. From reading the history sections, you'd think Purdue is basically a flight school and that's it. Surely there's a Purdue PR person or an active alumni chapter that would put a little effort into fleshing out the Purdue history. 12.175.88.195 (talk) 06:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). ElKevbo (talk) 07:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

"Along with the gift of $150,000 from John Purdue, a Lafayette business leader and philanthropist, along with $50,000 from Tippecanoe County, and 150 acres (0.6 km²) of land from Lafayette residents in support of the project."- This is not a sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcroner (talkcontribs) 03:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

First photo in campus section[edit]

Originally the campus section started out with the image File:EngineeringMall.jpg, until an editor recently replaced it with the image File:Engineeringmallentrance.jpg. I much prefer the former, as I think it shows more of campus, such as the Bell Tower and Hovde Hall. Does anybody feel strongly about either image? Of course I had considered using both but I think it would clutter the section with too many pictures. –CWenger (talk) 22:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

If I had to choose between those two, I'd probably prefer EngineeringMall.jpg, although that would mean having two pictures of the Engineering Fountain right next to each other. Another option would be to put the entrance picture at the beginning of the section and put EngineeringMall.jpg in the "Purdue Mall" subsection (in place of the fountain close-up) where the Bell Tower, Engineering Fountain, and Hovde Hall are all described. Brian the Editor (talk) 21:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done It looks a little cluttered but not too bad. –CWenger (talk) 21:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, but that's not quite what I meant to say. When I said "in place of", I meant remove File:Purdue Engineering Fountain, angle.JPG and put EngineeringMall.jpg there, so that the total number of photos stays the same. The fountain is already in the center of EngineeringMall.jpg, so I don't think it also needs its own separate close-up here. (People could go to the Engineering Fountain article if they need to see a picture of it without the trees in the way, just like they can go to the Purdue Bell Tower article to see a better picture of the Bell Tower.) Brian the Editor (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Ooops, I see. It's fixed now. –CWenger (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Odd vandalism[edit]

Oddly, in my browser, the "History" section starts with the following text:

"In 1865, the Indiana General Assembly voted to take advantage of the Morrill Land-Grant Colleges Act of 1862, aLd sda dalef/j ;df/jadtpoijsdmfse;udhfd;/aekrmawiushdjowejtfh:IGAY AS CARP ibraries, Archives and Special Collections |accessdate=November 21, 2011}}</ref>"

I don't see the garbage part of the text when I edit the section, but thought I'd point it out. Guy who reads a lot (talk) 02:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

It looks like ClueBot fixed it a few hours before you posted here. I think web browsers' caches sometimes cause people to see old versions of pages, like what you're describing. Brian the Editor (talk) 16:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to remove "Insignia and traditions"[edit]

It looks like most of the issues that MaxVeers mentioned above have gotten better, but the "Insignia and traditions" section is still too unreferenced, detailed, and "list-y". Would it be a good idea to remove the section entirely? The parts about Boilermakers, mascots, logos, colors, and fight songs could be condensed into a single paragraph under "Athletics". The Old Oaken Bucket can be mentioned in the football paragraph. Grand Prix, BGR, and some yet-to-be-written content about clubs could be made into a new "Activities" subsection of "Student life". I don't have access to Purdue's libraries, but I think they have some published books that could be used as references for these topics. --Brian the Editor (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

One problem with this proposal is that there would be no place to describe the seal. Maybe it could be moved to "History" to help fill in the awkward 27-year gap between the last two paragraphs? Brian the Editor (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
If nobody objects in the next several days, I will replace the "Student life" and "Insignia and traditions" sections with the content of User:Brian the Editor/sandbox. It's still not quite WP:Good Article-quality, but I think it's an improvement. Brian the Editor (talk) 21:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree with all of these suggestions, thanks for your work on the article. Reywas92Talk 02:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Food options[edit]

A new editor recently added a significant amount of material about the various food options on campus. I reverted the edit using the edit summary "I don't see how this is of lasting significance and importance; this is an encyclopedia article, not a brochure or visitor's guide to the campus." Our colleague readded the material without discussion and without addressing the objections I previously raised. He or she is a new editor so I'm not particularly concerned about the burgeoning edit war he or she began but it would be nice if he or she would self-revert while we come to a consensus.

To restate my objections, I don't see how the food options on campus are of encyclopedic importance. This is an encyclopedia article intended to tell readers the critical facts to help them understand this topic. It's not meant to be a visitor's guide or a comprehensive listing of all services, shops, offices, departments, buildings, and opportunities on this campus. In fact, the physical campus should only be one part of this article (although a separate article about the campus may be warranted) with the rest of it focusing on the history of the university and its organization, administration, funding, and contributions. Unless there is something unusual, interesting, or especially important about the food options, they don't belong in this article anymore than a lengthy section about custodial services, groundskeeping, parking services, or other mundane features of the campus (yes, yes, those services are critical and valuable but the point is that they're not unusual or worth describing at length in this article anymore than we need to have a multiparagraph section describing other mundane features of a modern U.S. university such as student conduct or the provost's office). ElKevbo (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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Upon viewing an un-cached version of this page, I noticed a banner located directly under the sub-heading for "Rankings." The content in question is an animated .gif titled, "cache me if you can." I attempted to view the source for the sub-section myself but I cannot seem to find the code including said image. Link to hosted screenshot of image in article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.112.131.98 (talk) 06:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

It was some vandalism in a template. It's been fixed although it might take a bit for things to clear up for everyone; I forced a purge on this article which should have fixed it but other articles with the same template might take a bit before the servers automatically refresh things. No worries. ElKevbo (talk) 07:04, 1 January 2014 (UTC)