Talk:Q (Star Trek)
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- 1 Deity
- 2 Q gospel
- 3 Please clean?
- 4 What about Charlie X?
- 5 Articles on other Q
- 6 Split Q from Q Continuum
- 7 Eye Color
- 8 Unclear paragraph
- 9 Untidiness
- 10 Fair use rationale for Image:Q (Star Trek).jpg
- 11 Omnipotence
- 12 Image copyright problem with Image:STDS9Ep107.jpg
- 13 Borg introduction to humanity
- 14 "All good things..."
- 15 Flintstones
- 16 Time Travel
- 17 Other TNG episodes
- 18 Heroic?!
It always seem to me that Q was "God." Isn't he God, in effect. I love God aqnd I love Q. I know I'm an old stupid drunk jerk. But what I'm I Missing here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kornbelt888 (talk • contribs) 05:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I think I'td be fun to speculate on Q's Omnipotence and apperant interest in humanity as a form of "proof" the the simulated reality of a posthumanistic era. He only seeks to trick ,test and be amuzed by the reactions of it's pets,much as you would expect from an equivilant "master of the Virtual Zoo"
The Procrastinator 18:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Actualyl it is ONLY mentioned as an general statement. He later tells Tuvok ,that BEING omnipotent and nearly perfect in their evolution to the rest of the unchanging universe,they SAY nothing and do not aspire for Change... it's kinda liek saying that knowing all is boring to live with. I would'nt really call that a disproof. The Procrastinator 00:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Um, I would, I think he meant it litterally, which is usually how I take something most of the time unless there's a reason to think he isn't serious, if someone said "you must think money grows on trees" we know it's a figure of speech, because money doesn't, but this is a straightforward statement, besides, even if that wasn't stated there is plenty of evidence the Q aren't omnipotent, they can be killed in Q and the Grey, they wouldn't have been able to throw Q out, no matter how many "ganged up" on him, and remember Q saying to Riker that eventually Humans could overtake them in evolution in Hide and Q. The snare 04:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I am curious if anyone has explored a connection between this character, and the Q gospel (Quelle/source)? I think if you compare the two, there's lots and lots of parallels, ironies and otherwise there. Shensey (talk) 09:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
The first two paragraphs of this article are duplicate to a degree.
- Fixed. It wasn't that hard though, you could have done it...
What about Charlie X?
Since the article discusses the speculative Q -> Trelane link, what about Charlie X? I've also heard it suggested that he might have been a Q along the lines of Amanda Rogers. 23skidoo 06:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
- Charlie X was definitely not a Q. He was a human child who was the sole survivor at an outpost. Rather than let him die, some super-powerful beings (maybe Q) gave him powers to create the things that he needed to continue to live. After he demonstrated that he couldn't live among humans without harming them, the super-powerful beings came and took him back to live with them.
- Amanda Rogers, on the other hand, was the daughter of two Q who had ceased to use their powers so that they could live as humans on Earth. They had actually used their powers to do something (I forget what), so the Q killed them with a tornado. Amanda thought that she was human, but was actually Q. Once she discovered her powers, she agreed to voluntarily not use them. When she used them anyway, Q came back and she willingly went with him. Val42 03:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Articles on other Q
Are there articles about the other Q mentioned? I don't find links to them on this page. I know that there isn't much information on them individually, so I have two proposals: Make this article about Q as well as the Q themselves, or (my favorite) make and article about the Q, with a link to this article about the most-seen Q. Val42 03:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Noblethrasher (talk) 21:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)==Gender issue== i belive Q should be classified as male, as he has a wife and child...I will change his classification to male untill proof to the contrary arises -- 188.8.131.52 (sig added by Cburnett)
- First, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) so we know who you are (regardless if you have a login).
- Having a "wife" and child does not necessitate him being male. The same genderification "rules" that apply to humans....I don't believe are applicable to an omnipotent species who mates by touching fingers. Considering the Q are played by humans, they obviously have to have some gender but neither their labels nor actors' gender can actually be used as evidence of their gender. First, it must be established that they indeed do have gender. Secondly, it must be established that their genders are male and female. Thirdly, I would need to see something to the effect that having a "wife" is evidence enough to label Q as male (this assumption fails in the case of two married homosexuals).
- So, in summary, I guess I disagree with you on the grounds that you're used humanistic terms to an omnipotent species played by human actors. Cburnett 04:11, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- I would say he is male. The definitions of male and female are based off of children and sex. First off, his wife is called a female. They physically have a child. As best I know, and as best we can define, the parent of the child who does not carry the child and is not a female is a male. -Platypus Man | Talk 13:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless of whether he has a wife or children, or even a gender at all, he chooses to take the form and characteristics of a male in every episode he appears in which, for all intensive purposes, makes him male.184.108.40.206 15:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
- I would agree with calling him male (as he has always taken that form), but in the episode Q-Pid, he says he only appeared to Picard as a male, but he could have appeared as a female. This suggest that he is sexless. The "female" Q he has a child with may have appeared female simply for appearances to humans.Rt66lt 00:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- In the episode "Q- Pid," Q chides Picard about how he should have appeared to him as a female after seeing how a woman (Vash) can get Picard riled up. This strongly demonstrates Q's naturally sexless state, as he can appear as whatever gender he desires. Also, in all episodes involving Q, it is stated that the Q Continuum is on another plane of existance, and they themselves are noncorporeal beings, rendering the concept of gender practically useless. Q, as well as other Q, simply appear in a familiar form (human to Picard, Sisko and Janeway) so as not to overwhelm the "puny, human mind" with their true form. I hope this helps??? Jason Keyes 13:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- The Q have no gender, this Q just chooses to take on a male form(like how Data let his "daughter" Lal choose it's gender). Q could choose to appear female if it wanted to. TJ Spyke 07:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- So then shouldn't the article say it instead of he? 220.127.116.11 00:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- "He" in English is also used for persons whose gender is unspecified. 18.104.22.168 18:42, 14 July 2007
- Q does not have sex but certainly does have gender (sex ≅ male/female vs. gender ≅ masculine/feminine) noblethrasher.
The Q reference each other as he/she, dress the part, and behave the part while interacting with beings just as we would. They should probably not be classified with a gender based on biological criteria but clearly they have assumed a gender. We should accept that beings of unlimited power could choose to be, or choose to change, but it isn't quite anyone's place to dictate they do not have gender when clearly they can choose to, and present them self as having chosen. Alpinedigital (talk) 00:00, 1 June 2012 (UTC) Alpinedigital
- Agreed. I think it's showing "Trekkie" bias as well as original research to put all this non-gender assumption on the Q Continuum - something that is impossible to confirm. If gender doesn't matter, why do they always appear in gender-specific forms? Ckruschke (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke
Split Q from Q Continuum
I have made a new article at Q Continuum for info about the race, have taken most of the necessary info from this page to leave this page as a page about the character Q. If people spot any omissions or anything, please correct.. cheers! Rob.derosa 13:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I may seem nitpicky, but are Q's eyes really brown? I've been watching the episodes in the Q box set, and in a few scenes his eyes look signifigantly lighter. I think they may be green. Being green eyed myself, I often get confused for a brown eyed person. I will change it unless anyone has any problem with it. Or rather, do we even need an eye color for him? - Defunctzombie 00:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Most certainly. 22.214.171.124 18:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC).
The sentence "This unchanged attitude..." is very confusing, I think. The previous sentence says he "reverted" suggesting a change (contradicting the phrase "unchanged attitude"). Second the quote refers to a trial which is not otherwise mentioned in the article. The following sentence says that this quote "makes the two episodes contiguous." Which two episodes, and how? Also, I don't think contiguous is the proper word here, perhaps consistent? I don't have sufficient knowledge to fix the article myself, but if someone else would undertake the work, I would be appreciative. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 01:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
"Some fans have come to believe that Q was somehow attracted to the stoic captain, and it could be argued that there is something flirtatious in the way Q teases Picard." - "Some fans" is not a source, and "it could be argued that" is one of the specific examples given on WP:WEASEL. --Grey Knight ⊖ 13:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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- This is dealt with in the Star Trek: Voyager episode "Death Wish". — Val42 (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
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Borg introduction to humanity
The article currently states "Events later shown in the prequel Star Trek: Enterprise suggest the Borg were already on the way when Q introduced them and Picard to each other." This is simply incorrect to my understanding. The Borg were found on Earth because of the events of First Contact, where were because of the events of "Q Who?". The dialogue in the relevant Enterprise episode confirms that Cochran had spoken about aliens from the future. There is, to my knowledge, nothing in canon supporting the idea that "the Borg were already on the way"... I'm going to take this sentence out unless anyone has an issue? Dphilp75 (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- go for it. But the sentences that follow all are written as part of a narrative to support this sentence. It will require a re-write in order to remove that one. Smitty1337 (talk) 01:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- Quite right. I'll give it a day to see if anyone else wants to chime in and then change it... Thank you! Dphilp75 (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
- There is actually canon that supports this (as well as non-canon "behind the scenes" material. In the episode "The Neutral Zone", prior to "Q Who", several colony worlds along the border of the Neutral Zone have been destroyed in the same way that the Borg were shown to have destroyed the worlds they assimilated later, and according to the "Star Trek Next Generation Companion", the intent of the writers was that the worlds destroyed along the Neutral Zone had been destroyed by the Borg. So the Borg were already in the area. Later in Voyager we learn that the Borg had already assimilated the Hansen family, and were therefore familiar with humanity. So while the specific concept that the Borg were on their way was the result of the time loop caused by Q Who -> Best of Both Worlds -> First Contact -> Enterprise, there's ample canon support for the notion that the Borg were already familiar with humanity, had already assimilated some Federation colony worlds, and therefore the likelihood that humanity would *not* have confronted the Borg had Q not intervened seems utterly implausible. AlaraJRogers (talk) 22:42, 1 August 2010 (UTC)AlaraJRogers
- Quite right. I'll give it a day to see if anyone else wants to chime in and then change it... Thank you! Dphilp75 (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
"All good things..."
I haven't seen "All good things..." in a while, but as I remember, the fact that humanity was about to be destroyed was actually indirectly Q's fault. He caused Picard's shifting in time, apparently just to screw with him, knowing that Picard's time shifting would lead to the end of humanity. This article seems to paint Q's intentions in that episode as being more benevolent, saving humanity as if we hadn't caused it.--Louiedog (talk) 08:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
In the "Behaviour" section there is a piece that describes Q's capabilities with his Omnipotence. However this includes Time Travel, and the ability to manipulate/stop time. The impression i've had from Q is that he was NOT able to actually travel or manipulate/stop time and that it was an Illusion or Fantasy created by Q for his own amusement. Correct me if i'm wrong, but he doesnt appear to have any knowledge of future events. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:19, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Other TNG episodes
True Q and Qpid were left out -- if you're going to list almost every episode Q appears in, you might as well be complete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
'He serves as a major antagonist in the beginning of The Next Generation. During the early seasons of The Next Generation and later over the later seasons of The Next Generation and Deep Space 9, Q evolves from an enemy to a full-fledged hero by Voyager.' - I certainly would not describe Q at any point of his character development as 'heroic' and certainly not as a 'full-fledged hero'! He's a complex character, and at times he torments the characters for fun, other times to teach them a lesson, and sometimes because he needs help, but at no point is he heroic! I'm going to change this sentence. --Imagine Wizard Iay amay Magineiay Izardway. 17:34, 18 July 2014 (UTC)