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Sources[edit]

Hi, I have added tags to the article where verification or citation is needed. There hasn't been a provison of sourced reference as of yet, so more attention to the article is warranted. This is what I've done.--Jhelyam (talk) 04:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Note[edit]

A HUMBLE REQUEST

Do not edit if you cannot provide a factual reference. Every edit must be backed up by a scholarly reference. Do not vandalizes, do not add personal references. Learn to respect and appreciate differences of opinion without personal prejudice. This after all is the sharing of collective human knowledge and bringing it to the world.

Msrafiq (talk) 10:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The names of the children of Saul from the Bible[edit]

According to the Bible , the names of Saul's children were
Sons  : Jonathan, Ishvi and Malki-Shua.
Daughters : older daughter was Merab, and that of the younger was Michal.

It would vastly improve this article to also include the Islamic sources on (Saul) Talut's children and their descendants .
Intothefire (talk) 17:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


I agree with the views above by Intothefire that the pedigree given here in this article for Quais/Kais/Kish is not correct. As a Tareen from Haripur area of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Pakistan, and a Sarbanri Pashtun, I would like to give the full proper pedigree here, below, from Saul King of Isreal to Qais/Kais/Kish:

  • . Saul King of Israel (tribe of Benjamin) *
  • Jonathan (Janatan in our pedigrees)
  • Mephiboset.
  • Nihash
  • Hanun
  • Shimon
  • Abishai
  • Mordicai
  • Shammia
  • Sarriyah
  • Hazbalam
  • Ardabalam
  • Azmia
  • Shabib
  • Abdillohi
  • Rejep
  • Yahuda
  • Beker
  • Kamikel
  • Sameon
  • Naaman
  • Gamash
  • Ermel
  • Reuben
  • Zebulam
  • Moshe
  • Ali zar
  • Jezer
  • Rephi
  • Omri
  • Aish
  • Qaleb
  • Marari
  • Kamri
  • Laban
  • Yakob
  • Kadish
  • Mamar
  • Amar
  • Madai
  • Serai
  • Amikai
  • Ezrel
  • Barrah
  • Al shael
  • Karmi
  • Amni
  • Debir
  • Alizaer
  • Balek
  • Solomon
  • Alem
  • Hamud
  • Jaroham
  • Boaz
  • Yunah
  • Manas
  • Ailai
  • Abd
  • Ard
  • Jaman
  • Ald
  • Mahrah
  • Hagai
  • Yari
  • Abu Ar
  • Labah
  • Alimoon
  • Huhum
  • Semi
  • Serriye
  • Zadan
  • Jaran
  • Hadid
  • Hashabiya
  • Kanana
  • Aseph
  • Azkiya
  • Irkiya
  • Saul
  • Mevah
  • Akhnuj
  • Sarol
  • Jender
  • Abdah
  • Naim
  • Leva/Levi?
  • Azariya
  • Zakariya
  • Sherbiya
  • Mataniya
  • Azar
  • Meshel
  • Jashua
  • Arrah
  • Azgad
  • Jarrah
  • Afgana/Akkana?
  • Mafiya
  • Irmiya/Jermiah
  • Aish/Ish
  • Qais/Kais/Kish converted to Islam circa 634-635 AD, Muslim name Abdul Rasheed

Following sources may be checked also please: (a) Khwaja Niamatullah's 13th-14th century Makhzan i Afghan, (b) Muhammad Hayat Khan's Hayat i Afghan (1865) and (c) Capt RTI Ridgway's The Pathans (1901). They quote some valid exceprts from the correct pedigree, and support it. Ridgways says that its possible that some of the names might not have been properly transcribed from original Hebrew into Arabic and Persian, although some of the Jews of Herat who retained their religion had similar pedigrees and could support these. It is also a misconception that the family or descendants of Saul were removed when many other tribes were, from Israel--it seems that some of them went and settled in Persia and Afghanistan (Bactria, Gandhara) a bit later, as colonists. I hope that please, corrections will be made here thanks. 39.54.193.56 (talk) 13:31, 5 October 2013 (UTC) Prof Dr M Uwais Khan Tareen, Pakistan

A suggestion to the above poster i.ei Prof. Dr. M Uwais, Sir, please input your information with the relevant references & it will be considered acceptable here. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 18:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you dear User:Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan; the source here used and cited, as above, is the Appendix 4, to the original Persian text of Muhammad Hayat Khan Hayat i Afghan pub Lahore, 1865, Section on Tareen tribe (English translation was by HB Priestley, later, Lahore, 1874). If it is useful please feel free to use. It may please be noted that according to Tareen pedigree, Qais/Kish/Kais was 101st in descent from Saul King of Israel, not 37th. Good wishes, 39.54.75.46 (talk) 07:52, 6 October 2013 (UTC)Prof Dr M Uwais Khan Tareen, Pakistan.

Misconceptions section[edit]

I've already reverted this once as not only do I not think the source meets our criteria as WP:RS, it is clearly pov as it contradicts sources that clearly do meet WP:RS. I've raised this at WP:NPOVN#Qais Abdur Rashid. Dougweller (talk) 12:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)