Talk:Queen Anne style architecture in the United States

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"Basements were (mostly) abolished,"

Although this statement is footnoted it has (opinion) got to go. Queen Anne's were built after the introduction of central heating and there really was no place to put a furnace but in the basement. Call this original research if you will but I am willing to go to the mat about this. Any takers? Carptrash (talk) 04:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll bet someone has heard at second-hand that in Queen Anne Style houses the main rooms were on the ground floor, and that a rusticated aboveground basement floor had been eliminated. A symptom of confusion. --Wetman (talk) 13:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Stick and Eastlake, Shingle...separate styles?[edit]

My training is that these are different. In fact Eastlake precedes Queen Anne and Stick is the forerunner of Eastlake in some circles. Shingle has holdover elements AFTER the end of Queen Anne, which concluded with the end of the Victorian Era and the death of that monarch in 1901. I had significant training in this on the CA West Coast...very strict interpretation was taught and followed. Queen Anne is from 1880-1910. Not! This article is still a mess. Norcalal (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Always nice to have someone who knows what they are writing about doing the editing, but many of us here are somewhat knowledgeable on the topic, just enough I suspect, to be dangerous. The dates I used setting this up were from the McAlisters book. Argue with them if you so desire. Carptrash (talk) 00:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Dangerous? Wow. Perhaps we ought to call the Wiki Police to protect the article. After all a statement from a book is the same as if a higher power had decreed a record. Scholars in a number of circles have written and commented differently than the cited reference would have us believe. There is room for differing opinions here because that process of vetting and research and development will lead to a better article despite your fears. Norcalal (talk) 06:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I have to go with Norcalal on this one. Stick, Shingle, and Queen Anne are all subtypes of Victorian architecture but are each distinct on their own. Stick and Eastlake came first (some argue that the two are nearly one and the same) followed by Queen Anne, followed by Shingle (then Free Classicism if we were to extend the progression onward). This is the way that the styles are presented in McAlesters' Field Guide. A.Fox (talk) 04:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I thank Fox69 for helping bring clarity. I cannot imagine how they were all combined originally and actually Shingle Style architecture is already a separate article-meaning there is no reason for it to be here besides minimal mention. That should have never happened. Its bad form both in Wikipedia and offline. But it is easy enough to spin off Eastlake and Stick... Norcalal (talk) 16:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the Stick section from this article because most Stick houses were built before the Queen Anne style came into fashion. Plus the section was unsourced and had numerous factual falacies (Stick houses usually do not use elements that can be turned on a lathe because they are usually square, plus the Harding House is not stick style). This summary section on the Stick style will be replaced by a new section in an article on Victorian architecture in United States which I hope to have ready soon. Of course the Stick-Eastlake article could always be improved upon in the meanwhile. --A.Fox 20:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

What's the umbrella article?[edit]

What, then, is the umbrella article that encloses concise summaries of all these largely concurrent rather than sequential post-Civil War American architectural manners? Architecture of the United States begins, preposterously, with cliff dwellings...--Wetman (talk) 21:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Wetman, I think you want all of these styles under the heading, "Victorian Architecture (United States)" or something of that sort. There is no such article yet but there really should be. Then all of the other styles fall under that one heading. The styles were not so cut and dry as historians like to make them, so it is true that some Queen Anne houses were covered in shingles and some (like the Carson Mansion) are occationally clasified as both Stick and Queen Anne. But that doesn not mean that the other styles are part of Queen Anne. In short, if we start trying to examine individual buildings, the lines between styles becomes confusing, but it is probably best to frame this article the same way that the architecture history books frame it.
(Oh, and Wetman, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you; it's all in the interest of making an accurate article).
A.Fox 03:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)