Talk:Quotation mark glyphs

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This article was split from Quotation mark[edit]

This article was split from Quotation mark. For some early discussion about glyphs, including the debate about the split, see Talk:Quotation mark

Terminology[edit]

The informal use of the word "quote" as a noun can be ambiguous, and should be avoided in an encyclopedic article. Please see my more detailed comments at Talk:Quotation mark#TerminologyMichael Z. 2007-08-27 14:32 Z

Mac how-to[edit]

On the Apple Macintosh, many special characters are available by typing while holding down the option key, or option and shift keys together, and these are shown in the Keyboard Viewer. In Macintosh English-language keyboard layouts, the curved opening single quotation mark is typed option-], and a curved closing single quotation mark (apostrophe) is typed with the shortcut option-shift-].
Similarly, the curved curved “double” quotation marks are typed option-[ and option-shift-[.)

On mac OS X the Character Palette gives access to all the unicode characters, and can show the unicode tables giving the number. I've shown a version of the paragraphs above at Apostrophe#Entering typographic apostrophes which also shows how to enter unicode characters in MS Windows. Presumably this info should appear here, not sure how to organise it - a new subsection? ... dave souza, talk 11:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm beginning to think we should have an article about the macintosh keyboard layout, since people seem so insistent on putting it in every article that mentions a non-ascii character. --Random832 (contribs) 19:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Internet Explorer[edit]

How do you turn off "smart quotes" in Internet Explorer? They keep re-appearing at random times mid-typing. ntnon (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Windows Live mail program, and possibly Outlook as well, appears to have this issue as well but with a different symptom. The word "don't" looks like "don’t". What causes this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.79.92 (talk) 19:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

That is the program failing to recognize UTF-8 and is a bug in the program being used to view the email.Spitzak (talk) 07:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Apostrophe for dropped letter[edit]

The section Quotation marks in electronic documents includes the peculiar assertion

Variants of and are and
U+201B single high-reversed-9 quotation mark (HTML: ‛), also called single reversed comma, quotation mark (This is sometimes used to show dropped characters at the end of words, such as goin‛ instead of using goin‘, goin’, goin`, or goin'[citation needed])

This usage is not particular to this Unicode point or glyph, but a standard function of the apostrophe. As the article notes, there's great variation in the correspondence between these glyphs and the traditional punctuation marks. --Thnidu (talk) 15:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Some fonts, like Verdana, use the high reversed 9 instead of the high 6 for opening quotation marks (both double and single). If you use the apostrophe key on your keyboard while typing in Word to represent the glottal stop, for example, as it's written in some languages, you should make sure the font you're using doesn't render it as something a bit weird. (It's bad enough that it will normally appear as a high 9 in the middle of a word, where you may want the high 6 instead.)
Another problem is that if you're doing a quote within a quote in Word ("'), you'll get the double high 6 followed by a single high 9 instead of the high 6 you probably want. 64.85.240.22 (talk) 03:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Chevron quote marks[edit]

I've often seen these used pointing inwards in German: »ein Beispiel«. Not being a native speaker I'm not entirely sure of conventions, but the article doesn't appear correct to me (I believe both «a» and »b« formats are used, possibly dependent on language). Diggory Hardy (talk) 13:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

There is also Non-English usage of quotation marks -DePiep (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Spitzak's edit of February 15[edit]

[1] Please, explain:

  • What was wrong with U+201B and U+201F as examples of (non-English) quotation marks?
  • What was wrong with removed text "which are used for typographic approximation of quotation marks"?

BTW Spitzak's ideas about "smart quotes" are wrong, and even if were not, this would not justify removal of content. Please, make comments on what for you remove something, not on what do you think about the cause of its existence. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

The earliest version of the current text contains the same error of putting the Unicode normal quote marks both in as raw text and as html references. I believe this is due to the original entry being done on an editor that changed the ascii quotes into "smart quotes". I cannot find another reason this was done.
I removed the examples using the backwards-9 glyphs as they do not match any convention in any language. I guessed that typographic quotes were wanted there. Failing that I would just remove them entirely.
The sentence saying that typewriter quotes are approximating curly quotes was removed because it was redundant and obvious.

Spitzak (talk) 23:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)