Talk:Raúl Juliá

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Puerto Rican Descent[edit]

The article states Raúl was born in Puerto Rico of puerto rican parents. The statement "was an actor of Puerto Rican decent." is missleading for he was puerto rican. The statement that Raúl "was an actor of Puerto Rican decent." leads you to believe he was not linked to Puerto Rico but through his ascendants but Raúl was born on the island, from parents also born on the island, spanish was his mother tongue and puerto rican his culture. Actor Lorne Greeene for example was a canadian actor of russian jewish descent, not russian himself but of russian descent. Another case would be actor Beau Bridges, born in california son of Lloyd Bridges also born in California. In that case it doesn't say: "Beau Bridges is an actor of californian descent", Bridges is californian not of californian descent same as Juliá, puerto rican not of puerto rican descent. Laraweb (talk) 22:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Untitled[edit]

I'm not sure about that accent on the a in Julia. Wetman

Escrito así en español. Veáse: http://www.cinenacional.com/personas/?persona=2888
-- Viajero 00:43, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Yep, since the last name is originally from Catalunya. Not only that... Julia (as in "Julia Roberts") is not the correct pronunciation, either. It rhymes with "(Comme si,) comme ça" Demf 18:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Nationality Statement[edit]

The sentence that discusses his Nationality needs to be fixed somehow. Saying that he "was a Puerto Rican actor who lived and worked for many years in the United States" is, quite honestly, a bit like saying "he was a South Carolinian actor who lived and worked for many years in the United States" or "he was a Hawaiian actor who lived and worked for many years in the United States". Last time anyone checked, after all, Puerto Rico was a part of the United States. Julia was a US citizen by birth, just like everyone else born in Puerto Rico... does the fact that he lived and worked in the continental US really need to be made? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.26.82 (talk) 04:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

His "Final" Film[edit]

Everyone thinks of Street Fighter but he made an HBO film in late 1994 which was released in 1995. While I have no access to his schedule, it seems far more likely that he completed Street Fighter before working on the HBO film. --feitclub 18:37, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Big budget?[edit]

"He also starred in the big-budget film Street Fighter as the villainous M. Bison."

Removed the "big-budget" part, because $35 million [1] is not really much for an action movie.

So, how much does a move have to have cost in 1994 in order to qualify under your standard as "big-budget"? It certainly wasn't a "low-budget" film by any means. Furthermore, it's not a traditional "action movie", but a "videogame" movie. How does its budget compare with the other (admittedly few) videogame movies of its era? 69.216.115.5 04:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Weaseling about AIDS[edit]

The statement "…which had at various times been advanced to the public as his diagnoses, underlying HIV/AIDS infection was seen as a very strong possibility - but was never publicly confirmed or proven." is irresponsible! The fact that he was suffering from stomach cancer alone can explain this weight loss and general physical deterioration. Michael David 21:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

His widow, Merrell Juliá, has categorically denied that Raúl ever had AIDS. She has gone on record saying that he had lost 40 pounds on the six months previous to his death, 20 for his next-to-last role (which he blamed on the miserable food on location), and 20 for Street Fighter (which he did as a favor to his two children, who were fans of the video game, but which put a big physical strain on him, since the small budget forced filming to be done rather quickly). Always the perfectionist, Raúl didn't mind losing the weight much, since he actually felt he looked like a stereotypical Germanic military leader with the pounds off and, therefore, would make for a better role as a dictator of sorts (even though Bison was British).
Now, we need to check on the chronology of events here. If my memory serves me right, the announcement of Raúl's stomach cancer came after he died. There was speculation here in Puerto Rico (from where I'm writing this) that he didn't know he had cancer at all, which I find difficult to believe. He did recall, however, that he was vomiting inexplicably all the way through the filming, and that he was extremely concerned by it. I wouldn't be surprised that the physical (vascular) strain of all that vomiting took its toll on Raúl, which explains the stroke. Demf 18:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, just listened to an MP3 of an interview with his sister, who talked about his cancer. She claims his bout with cancer lasted three years, and he was extremely secretive about it as to not impact the productions of the films he was doing. He would have the tumors removed but not do any further treatment. When filming the Chico Mendes story he fell sick with food poisoning from a shrimp salad he ate; filming was stopped for three days and he felt miserable about it. Thus, he tried to keep his illness as a secret until the very end. Demf 05:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Cause of death[edit]

Did he die from a stroke or stomach cancer? Is it possible to die from both? It doesn't seem likely. --Chris Griswold 12:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Technically, yes you can be determined to have died from the effects of both. Both can be terminal conditions. If the cancer had progressed far enough, it would be difficult, even through autopsy, to determine which got his first.
Michael David 12:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

First born son[edit]

The statement He was survived also by his first-born son Raul Julia-Levy aka Raul Julia Jr, born in Mexico City on July 10, 1971 is not really supported by any of the external links currently listed. Given his widow apparently disputes this claim I think "alleged" or "self-claimed" would be accurate, but without a verifiable (reliable) source that can be cited I think this statement is too strong. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Contact with WMF office[edit]

Mr. Julia-Levy (Raul Julia, Jr.) contacted the office and has supplied his passport and birth certificate to us. These obviously cannot be posted online. However, if you look at the voluminous links regarding the controversy surrounding Mr. Julia's widow and natural son, this has been an ongoing issue for approximately eleven years. I did not get into the specifics of the legal action which has been taken, but someone may want to do some digging based on the reporting on the page. For now, he has certainly provided documents which prove his identity.--Brad Patrick 16:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've reworded this to state what I can verify, which is that Raul Julia-Levy claims to be his son and that the widow disputes this claim. Like anything in Wikipedia, facts must be verifiable through published, reliable secondary sources (see WP:V and Wikipedia:Reliable sources). This is a fundamental policy of Wikipedia. A copy of a birth certificate sent to the Wikipedia Foundation's lawyer is a primary source, NOT a verifiable secondary source. If there's a reliable, secondary source (a published book, or a news article from a respectable newspaper or magazine, not a press release or a reprint of a press release) that says "Raul Julia-Levy is Raul Julia's son" please provide it. If not, then all that should be said is what can be sourced, which is that Julia-Levy claims to be his son and Raul Julia's widow disputes this claim. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Pardon my Wikipedia naivete. I have two questions:

1) I understand from the above section that 'facts' must be verifiable through 'secondary' sources. It strikes me as odd, however, to apply that standard to legal documents. Refusal to publish would seem arguably defensible were there an accusation of forgery, or were WMF to have a reason to suspect the document's veracity.

2) Perhaps this too is a WMF construct, but it also strikes me as odd that there's absolutely no reference to Julia-Levy's claim in Raul Julia's biography.

If nothing else, Julia-Levy LOOKS an awful lot like his 'father'. 69.76.142.218 (talk) 03:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

translation of cueva del chicken[edit]

Wouldn't "cueva del chicken" be "cave of chickens", not "chicken cave"? Consider "cueva del pollo" being "cave of chicken", rather than "chicken cave". ... aa:talk 20:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it doesn't make sense, and I don't blame you... it is confusing. Here's the story I've heard: the place's original name was "El Chicken Inn", since the main fare was barbecued chicken. It should have been "The Chicken's Inn", or even "The Chicken Inn", I assume, but it was rather common for Puerto Rican businesses to have a (mangled) English name as to appeal to Americans who would visit Puerto Rico. Now, the restaurant (which still exists and is quite popular) was assembled in a converted house, where lighting was poor to begin with. The bar, particularly, has textured walls and arched ceilings, which reminded some patrons of a cave. Juliá's father would hear younger patrons refer to it as "La Cueva" and rate it as an excellent pizza parlor, rather than a chicken restaurant. He mixed both names as to ensure the entire demographic spectre was covered: the young ones that referred to it as "La Cueva" and the older ones who referred to it as "El Chicken Inn". I sense that he intended to market the "cave" setting more than anything else. BTW, at a corner of the main dining room, there's a small plaque and photograph honoring Raúl, right at his favorite spot. Demf 04:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Oops, my theory is wrong. I have since fixed the references, as per the María Eugenia Juliá's interview I refer to below. Read the article... Demf 05:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Am I the only one that feels this article is messy? Panda

It is, indeed. I'm currently listening to Raul's sister, María Eugenia, on an interview. Here's the link. I hope this one clears quite a few issues here up. Stay tuned. Demf 04:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Popeye[edit]

What about his eye accidentally coming out of its socket? He was on the Letterman or Arsenio Hall show when it supposedly happened.Lestrade (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Lestrade

Carlos?[edit]

The IMDB bio, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000471/bio, has his birth name as Raul Rafael Carlos Julia y Arcelay. The Carlos part has come and gone here. I don't know for sure which is correct (google search is sort of interesting). -- Rick Block (talk) 00:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Interesting is right - most hits include "Carlos", but several don't, and of the ones that do, some are mirrors of this article, so they hardly count; but then again, many aren't mirrors. I guess we can take IMDB's word for it, but another source would be great. EAE (Holla!) 03:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The hits with "Carlos" include Britannica online, which I think makes this VERY interesting. IMDB bio information is not considered a reliable source. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The Surname is Incorrect[edit]

What a nerve to say that the name "Julià" doesn't exist... It is a catalá last name, my grandmother was a "Julià" as my father carries in his last name "... i Julià". Those assertions with self-righteous people only makes Wikipedia less credible... (http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-origin/julia)

Who is the genius who made the last name 'Juliá' when in fact there is no accent mark at all?207.38.156.111 (talk) 01:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The person that came up with the surname. "Juliá" is the correct spelling of his last name, the "Julia" version is a widespread typo. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Please yield to the PhD in Spanish linguistics when I tell you there is absolutely no such thing as a last name or even first name Juliá in Spanish- period. The 'á' means you say 'Jul-YAH' which is positively incorrect. I'm fixing it and reporting it as vandalism if continued.207.38.156.111 (talk) 22:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Guys, when you've done changing the text back and forth, can someone please make sure the title of the article is always consistent with the text. Currently, this article is titled Raúl Juliá, but throughout the text it's Raúl Julia. Which is crap. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 22:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

His name is Juliá, as can be seen here [2] another example is his uncle Charles Henry Juliá BarrerasEl Johnson (talk) 22:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

That's an unfounded source. That same page has his first name unaccented as 'Raul' (false) and has an accented 'Rodriguez', another false.207.38.156.111 (talk) 22:39, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

[3] it mentions the Premio Raúl Juliá, it is from the senate of Puerto Rico. You claim the last name does not exist yet there are also references to his uncle in his article Charles Henry Juliá Barreras that prove that the last name exist. Why dont you provide references that it does no exist instead of just reverting edits. El Johnson (talk) 22:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The citation you provided is almost laughable, since it's just another Wikipedia entry, which are incorrect 90% of the time.207.38.156.111 (talk) 09:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Go ahead, let's see if they block someone for doing something constructive. Better yet, should I block myself for this "great transgression". Please... "Fear" is the weakest element in an argument. The thing is that I have an entire book and a reference from the Fundación Nacional para la Cultura Popular on my behalf. You have... Your word? - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Actualy the reference I provided is from the senate of Puerto Rico, I did mention another wikipedia article because it is about another individual with his same last name, and that article has ITSELF CITATIONS, so I might consider your arguments almost laughable. At least I provide citations... you on the other hand have provided nothing costructiveEl Johnson (talk) 22:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

No, just a PhD in Spanish literature and language from an Ivy school and being a native-Spanish speaker. Guess that's not enough. This is EXACTY why Wikipedia donations are down, as unreliable of a resource as it's become thanks to 'editors' who think they know what they're talkinb about.207.38.156.111 (talk) 08:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Again, you are not providing anything constructive to Wikipedia, what does your alleged Phd help your claim if you don't provide any citation or reference to back it up other than your "word" and your alleged education? I could say that I am an Inmortal in the Real Academia Española and yet if I don't provide any reference to any given claim then it is worth only my word. I invite you to, instead of criticizing, why don't you do something constructive and look up some evidence to support your claims, afterward s I also welcome you to cite in Wiki and "prove you know what you are talking about" El Johnson (talk) 16:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

According to the Google Translator, Raúl Rafael Juliá y Arcelay translates to Rafael Raul Julia and Arcelay. How does that rate? 63.3.2.130 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Not that this argument is even still alive or anything, but the only sources anyone should be citing should originate with Mr. Juliá himself, as it is the subject's preference that should determine how his name is spelled in the article, whenever possible. In this case, all you have to do is google his autograph to see that, yes, he always accented the ú and the á in his signature. Krychek (talk) 19:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Jewish?[edit]

I've reverted recent edits [4] [5] claiming Raúl Juliá's parent's were Jewish and that he was Jewish. I've tried to verify this but haven't found any sources supporting it, and it more or less contradicts cited statements in the article saying he was Catholic. If there are sources supporting this, please say what they are. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Illness, death & cancer[edit]

Why is there no mention of the fact that he had cancer? His stomach cancer played a large role in the last weeks of life and I find it a bit odd that any mention of it has been removed. A few months ago I remember reading this article and it listed several details about it. Think it should be included again, this is a bio about him after all. Coinmanj (talk) 03:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Just plain Raul Julia[edit]

He used to be discussed and credited as regular unaccented American actor Raul Julia, Rowl JEW-lee-a, at times, and the article should simply acknowledge that at some point.
Decades ago, he was more likely to insist on an accented Raúl than other Latin actors, but it was not every time.
And although I have read the discussion above, this "Juliá" thing is just plain freaky-lookin'.
Varlaam (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Way up top, it is noted that Juliá is not Castilian, but Catalan. That should satisfy any concerned Spanish speakers. Varlaam (talk)
Thank you! It speaks of blatant disregard for Iberic and Latin American culture to insist on the fact that modern Spanish and Portuguese naming rules still apply worldwide - if they have ever. There are tons of regional variants for almost every personal and family name due to the millenia-old history of migration of these two people. Any linguistics degree is worthless, if you do not have a historic insight into matters. Very sad story of cultural bias up there. -- 92.231.36.88 (talk) 09:05, 25 October 2012 (UTC)