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Checkered Flag note[edit]

I think you should mention that the chequered flag is the most famous racing flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.241.73 (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. And you spelled checkered wrong. (checkered/chequered)

Also, what about the green-white flag, or checkered green-and-white flag? I saw it on TV today on NASCAR, at the NAPA Racing Track. Fourteen turns in the track, on ESPN2, in Montreal, Canada, North America. It was a GWC finish, with three laps to go. A green, a yellow, a restart (green), and a thirteen minute red. Racing cars heat up to 170 degrees F. The oxygen is hard to breathe, and the guy is sweating in his fire-proof race suit.

A yellow, #07 is first, #09 is second, and #33 is third.

A green, the same. But #33 has to watch his vulnerable position on the track.

A white, still the same. But OH! Turn 5: #07 is short of fuel! #09 takes the lead!

A checkered flag (green-white), OH! Turn 8: #33 passes #09! Turn 9: OH! #09 jumps the curb, passes #33!

And the game is finished! #09 beats #33 by 2 feet, -0:36 seconds!

So, a green, a yellow, a restart (green), a red, a yellow, a green, a white, a green-white checker! What's a race!

Now, I'm watching basketball, United States versus Slovenia. Part of FIBA. 2nd Quarter, USA up 25-12. It's the Halftime Report by ESPN2.

Now. Back to that green-white flag... Next time on The Nutshell.


The Nutshell is a 'real' company that writes articles in the discussion section of random articles. This is Part 1 of a undefined -part series.

Article moved from Chequered flag[edit]

I moved this article because it provides more information about "other flags" than it does about the checkered flag. I will reorganize it within twenty-four hours to reflect its new title unless someone else beats me to it. --TantalumTelluride 00:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I completely restructured the article, but there is still a lot of work to do. I can continue expanding the descriptions of each flag, but the article needs more pictures. I encourage anyone who has more experience with images and media files to add some photos to the article, especially a picture of each flag. Otherwise, I'll have to try to do it myself. --TantalumTelluride 23:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Expansion Successful![edit]

I have significantly expanded the article over the course of several days. I feel that the article is now of encyclopedic quality. There is still plenty of room for improvement, though. For example, the article could use a good image at the introduction. (I think there's a style guideline somewhere about that.) Anyhow, I think a picture of a checkered flag waving at the finish of a crowded NASCAR, Indycar, or F1 race with some cars zooming past under the flagstand would be fitting for the intro. I'll put up some requests for help on some more conspicuous pages. --TantalumTelluride 03:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I found a fairly suitable image for the introduction. It is a copyrighted photograph from a Busch Series race, but I claimed fair use for this article. Of course, if you can find a better photograph or a suitable alternative that is under a free license, then, by all means, replace the current one with it. --TantalumTelluride 05:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

More Images on the Way[edit]

I have added images for the disqualification flag (black with white saltire) and the "move-over" flag (light blue with diagonal orange stripe). I will upload images for the rest of the flags early next week when I gain access to the software that I used to create the first two. I don't mean to be too commanding, but I would like to see uniform images throughout the article (same size, same proportions, etc.), so please leave the images to me. Of course, if you have a free-source photograph of a flagstand, please put it in the introduction so that we can delete the copyrighted image that is there now. --TantalumTelluride 21:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I never got around to adding those images, but Denelson83 has added several images in the meantime. --TantalumTelluride 04:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Table[edit]

The main drawback to the article, in my opinion, is that it is generalized almost to the point of being impractical. I have tried not to make any absolute statements about the flags, since different racing leagues have different systems; but perhaps we should use a table to specify which flags each of the major leagues (NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, etc.) use and what each flag means in each league. I'm new to Wikipedia and don't have much experience with tables, but I'll use this as a learning experience if no one else steps up to the challenge. (After all, I learned how to create and upload images for this article, and I'm getting pretty good at it.) --TantalumTelluride 21:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I've been working on a table. Here's what I've come up with so far. This is just an example. It is extremely incomplete, and I haven't rigorously checked the information:
Uses of Racing Flags in Major Racing Leagues
Flag Formula One IndyCar NASCAR
Auto racing disqualification flag.svg not used not used disqualification
Auto racing faster car appr.svg not used faster car approaching faster car approaching
Any suggestions to improve the quality of the table are welcome. --TantalumTelluride 20:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I've abandoned the idea of a table for racing flags. I've got more important wikibusiness to attend to. I encourage anyone else who is interested to give it a shot. You can always ask me for suggestions; this page will probably be on my watchlist. --TantalumTelluride 05:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

White flag.[edit]

This article needs a severe rewrite. On page five of Appendix H of the ISC (http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1653003624__Appendix_H_a.pdf) , the white flag is not used at the start line by the clerk of the course, and when used at a marshalling post it means that there is a much slower car on the part of the track covered by that marshalling post. It says ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING about use of white flag meaning that the leader is on his or her last lap.

I'm going to rewrite this to reflect the International Sporting Code. Duke toaster 16:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The ALMS also adopted the FIA white flag usage in 2007.

Also in MotoGP a white flag does NOT indicate rain. The white flag with a diagonal red cross is used to indicate rain. Apart from the US sanctioning bodies, a white flag always and only indicates a car ahead travelling at a much slower pace than normal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.28.104 (talk) 22:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC) --- I propose removing the reference to North American road racing in the 2nd paragraph where it notes the white flag as indicating a slow vehicle on track. I am pretty sure that all North American series do NOT have this usage but rather use the white flag for last lap indication. --joe1234x123; 4Aug2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe1234x123 (talkcontribs) 20:40, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Blue flag[edit]

This table is not correct. There is a blue flag in f1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.166.29.253 (talk) 16:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps you need to read it again. It does not say F1 does not have a blue flag. --Falcadore (talk) 16:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

U.S. POV[edit]

It's not just the white flag; the whole article is written with the USA as the starting point, and then some F1 has been thrown in. It doesn't even mention FIA once. I was going to refer to appendix H of the FIA Sporting Code, which contain the base rules for all kinds of international racing, not just F1 (of course there are variations), but someone already did that.

Other americanisms:

  • Under FIA rules, the yellow flag is always waved, even if the hazard isn't on the track. Double yellow is used when the track is blocking the track.
  • The pace car is called the safety car internationally; boards with the letters "SC" are shown together with singly waved yellow flags around the track when it's deployed.

-- Magnus Holmgren 15:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I have deamericanised the article partially. Duke toaster 19:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, the statement in reference to the chequered flag "it invariably indicates that the leader has completed the race" is incorrect. This flag merely means that the session is complete, be it practise, qualifying, or race. Guinness (talk) 15:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Changes[edit]

Added: Use of green flag to signal end of local yellow zone Added: Use of white flag to signal slow car ahead.

WikiProject NASCAR[edit]

If this article is part of WP NASCAR, why isn't it part of WP F1?? Duke toaster 19:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, because no one added it? (not exclusion, lack of inclusion) -slowpokeiv 22:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Not even more deamericanisation.[edit]

I am making this article use the global view - I.E. FIA International Sporting Code. I will keep in the references to NASCAR, but I am making sure that in most events internationally that the ISC is used, not NASCAR's different system. Duke toaster 20:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

V8 Supercar[edit]

Why is there a separate listing for V8Supercar when it uses FIA standard for flags, as it is an FIA international series? The only difference I can see apart from the green flag, which I changed as it was wrong (green flag is not used to start races, in the event of a failure of the red light systems the national flag of Australia is used), is the black flag. Is the black flag really used as instant disqualification in all FIA sanctioned series? Usually it like other categories used as an advisory surely? --Falcadore 02:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

A black flag does not usually mean disqualification. It means a driver is required to proceed directly to pit lane. The obligation upon the driver (drive through, stop/go, exclusion) is usually communicated from the stewards to the driver. The only event that i know of that uses a black flag for disqualification is Formula One.Baggers89 (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

A black flag does mean immediate exclusion from the race in almost every series. Other penalties such as "drive through" or "stop and go" are signalled by a pitboard. With todays radio communications it's mostly just a single board used and the exact penalty is told via radio (drive through, stop and go, stop and hold for xx seconds) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.28.104 (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Then you don't work at any of the race meetings I do. I can assure you that is not that case. --Falcadore (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

About me adding a link to V8 Supercars and it getting deleted: It was an "e.g." clause, meaning only a couple of examples were given. If any more were added, I would have deleted them. -- Denelson83 03:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, this is a completely unrelated subject to the above, but, if we start an eg list then fans of individual series are going to say well, why not DTM or WTCC or FIA GT, and add them and before you know it the list is unwiedly long, and completely without merit as the FIA is the FIA. Besically its everything not covered by the other standards, you don't need examples, and indeed it can come across as self-serving, particularly when grouped with Formula 1, when the FIA is all circuit racing across Europe, South America, Asia and sundries. --Falcadore (talk) 05:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

FIA Flags[edit]

The flag tables has a number of errors that needs to be fixed. Only the flag stand usually has an "SC" sign. Generally you see a marshal waving dual yellow flags to indicate a SC situation around the track. The black flag I'm not sure but it may be DQ but I thought it was to indicate a car that must return to the pits (much like the mechanical failure). The blue w/ orange stripe can be used for oil on track or slippery conditions (like moto racing). Someone should go some research and fix the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.18.73 (talk) 03:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Promlems with the table.[edit]

As noted above the table needs adressing. Firstly, some of the info Is wrong (e.g. Black Flag in FIA fomulas means come to pit not disqualification) and secondly, the arangement doesn't make logical sense, Surely International standards should be listed before American and having flags with the same meaning ion all three at the top of the list would also make more sense.(Morcus (talk) 16:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC))

Line-of-sight vs station-to-station[edit]

I've seen one reference to two different road-racing flag obeying guidelines. Granted, it's from the 24 Hours of LeMons's 'Racedriving 101' page [here], but it makes me wonder if that's noteworthy enough. Short version: if you're doing line of sight, you're under the flag if you see it, but if it's station to station, it's when you get there. This can be pretty important to racers, but is it enough to get in the article? Q Illespont (talk) 00:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)