Talk:Radyr

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Date	Process	Result
April 15, 2009	Good article nominee	Not listed
May 14, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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Untitled[edit]

Please add references when you expand this article - let me know if you are not sure how to do it. Thanks Tony (talk) 20:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer from workpage[edit]

Tony, I have transferred the Radyr article back from the workpage. Work has slowed down in recent days and I don't think there is going to be much more added in the short term. The separate Radyr Comprehensive School could do with with a few nice piccies if you have time. The Radyr entry is now pretty good and a credit to the community. Are you happier with it? 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 12:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks that's much better - I've just come back from kayaking round Ireland so been off line for a while but am going to put something in the Radyr Chain about this article - and will take some pics of the Comp for you when I can. Cheers Tony (talk) 20:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rard-Err?[edit]

Shouldn't it be Rahd-Err? Nobody I know has ever pronounced it Rard-Err. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodgy Dan (talk • contribs) 18:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody local is going to need a pronunciation prompt, they will know how to say it. Personally I would pronounce RARD and RAHD roughly the same. The guide was really intended for our colonial cousins who would otherwise attempt something closer to RAD-EAR. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should just be RAD-ERR 82.3.186.129 (talk) 14:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment[edit]

I've upgraded this article from B to GA. It's very comprehensive and well sourced. At present it's the highest rated article on Wikipedia:WikiProject Cardiff so well done to all. Welshleprechaun (talk) 18:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With Welshleprechaun's agreement, I've changed the rating back to B to enable this article to go through a formal review process. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 20:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welshleprechaun's assessment appears to be an abuse of the GA-assessment process. You didn't need his agrement to change it to B-class as it was never formally assessed as a GA-class article.Pyrotec (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Radyr/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Starting GAreview.Pyrotec (talk) 11:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review[edit]

This article is fairly close to GA level, but it needs additional work to bring it up to that level. As I consider that this is achievable, I will put the article On Hold.

The main problems, as can been seen below, is lack of WP:Verify; and in one case, where verification was provided, the statement was contradicted by the in-line citation.

I intend to leave any comments upon the WP:Lead until last, but it is inadequate as it stands.

Stone Age until the Norman Conquest -

Stone age articles found at Lesser Garth Cave - so what, this is the only mention of Lesser Garth Cave? Is it in Radyr?

It's located just outside Morganstown. I've added a small note clarifying this.

ref needed for final sentence.

Used ref 2 for this. I've also updated the reference with an online PDF version which should help verify some facts.

Origin of the name

I checked ref 3 for both "tref" and "Aradur Hen", but did not find a match!

My inital searches have also drawn a blank. I've deleted that reference for the time being - also, ref 2 covers this subject so this paragraph is still referenced.

Norman occupation until the Middle Ages -

There is some ambiguity in the grammar over the timber palisade, is it surrounding the Motte, the bailey, or both?

According to the source, it appears it's just the motte. I've amended the text to suit.

Web ref 5 is a broken link.

There was a mention of a dungeon on the site's front page. However, I've replaced this ref with a more acceptable news source.

Ref 6, is this compliant with WP:verify?

Probably not. I've replaced this with a more reliable book reference.

Tudor legacy -

Mostly unreferenced.

I've added some more reference points. If I can find a further source I'll include this as well.

Stuart period

Mostly unreferenced.

Done.

Development from the 18th Century

Second, third and fourth paragraphs unreferenced.
Last paragraph. Population increases unsupported and contradicted by ref 12. Paragraph claims "but after Radyr railway station opened in 1863[11] the population doubled.[12]". From ref 12 - 472 people in 1861, 422 in 1871, 519 in 1881, 619 in 1891!
Last sentence unreferenced.

All fixed now.

Wartime Radyr-

Does the "nearby" military hospital have a name?

Yes, I'm pretty sure it was the Welsh Metropolitan Military Hospital in Whitchurch.

Community Council -

Unreferenced.

Done

Radyr Weir -

Mostly unreferenced, but second paragraph needs citations. Note: It appears to have been taken from Ref 16, but is not cited.

Refs added.

Radyr Woods Nature Area -

Only first and last sentences are referenced. Note: It appears that Ref 17 & 18 may have been used, but are not cited.

I found another reference to add to this, and rearranged the existing refs to suit the text.

Religious sites -

Web ref 30 is a broken link.

Fixed that ref and tidyed itup a little, but the second paragraph will probably need expanding.

Sports and recreation

Web ref 31 is a broken link.

Fixed.

Rail -

Entirely unreferenced.

This is a major problem as the first sentence's claim certainly needs verifying, and so far I can't find a reference for this. I've added some more to the rest of the section.

The sentence about Radyr stone is an exact duplicate of a sentence in Geological structure.

I've removed this as it was totally unecessary for this section.

Scope / History-

History stops at WW II, some 65 years ago; yet Radyr is now listed in the lead as an outer suburb of Cardiff. There is no mention of when and how Radyr stopped being a village and started being a suburb of Cardiff.Pyrotec (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments[edit]

Hi! Just some additional comments:

the subsection "Development from the 18th Century" needs more referencing
the subsection "Entertainment and media" has italic script gone wrong. - Done.Pyrotec (talk) 22:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
left-aligned images should not be placed at the start of subsections

Hekerui (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

main review[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Progress has been made been made in addressing the missing citations highlighted, above bu progress appears to have halted. I'm failing the article for lack of citations. The article can of course be resubmitted for WP:GAN once these problems have been addressed.Pyrotec (talk) 13:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing comments[edit]

Apologies for the delay - major rush at work coupled with a dodgy server has meant very little Wiki time. However, I'm finally going to make a start on addressing your comments now (assuming my server doesn't conk out on me, as it appears to be doing right now). Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 08:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Radyr/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Doh5678 Talk 19:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

General

4 {{Dead link}}'s.

History

In 1469 Thomas Mathew inherited the land through marriage and built Radyr Court. Needs a comma

Landmark buildings and local attractions

Second paragraph unsourced.

Sports and recreation

Cardiff Corinthians Football Club (known locally as the "Corries") have played their home games at the Riverside Football Ground in Radyr since 1974. Unsourced.

I am putting this review on hold until problems have been sorted out.

All done. I had to use the Wayback archives for a couple of the dead links, but that shouldn't be a problem. —BETTIA— ^talk 20:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now a GA! Doh5678 Talk 23:02, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your help mate! —BETTIA— ^talk 06:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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