Talk:Raistlin Majere

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Golden Skin?[edit]

In the character profile it says that he has acquired golden skin, which offers him strong protection against magical attack. Can anyone cite that? I was under the impression that the gold skin was due to the strin put on his body during the Test of High Sorcery and/or the pact made with Fistandantilus during the Test and didn't offer him any protection. Argel1200 (talk) 22:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm certain it's mentioned in one book or another, as I recall reading it. Unfortunately, I don't recall which book it is and it seems each time a book touches on Raistlin's test it gives a slightly different version of the event or offers information that the other books do not. If I had to guess, I'd bet that the info is in the Legends trilogy somewhere. Thekithless (talk) 10:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't recall this either. It's dubious enough that I think I'll just remove it pending a source. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 13:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Soulforge specifically states during Rasitlin's test that Fistandantilus gave Raist the gold skin as armor against the fireball the dark elf threw at him —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.83.232 (talk) 04:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Soulforge states that Fistandantilus did NOT give Raistlin the armour, that it was in fact Raist's creation. I quote from Soulforge, page 390 (paperback) Fistandantilus speaking after Raistlin recinds the bargain they made: "You are strong and you are clever. You are protected by armor of your own making, not of mine."Vyselink (talk) 06:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Shalafi?[edit]

There is a redirect, but no explanation given. Someone should fix that, I believe. 178.49.18.203 (talk) 15:34, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

How do you mean? 69.245.138.135 (talk) 00:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
FFS, could someone put in something like this "Raistlin Majere was called "shalafi" which means WHAT in LANGUAGE, by WHOM because REASON (BOOK REF)" before setting mysterious redirects? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.49.18.203 (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Rewording[edit]

This sentence appears in the character section. It's accurate, and I do not dispute it whatsoever, I'm just wondering if it could be reworded so that it doesn't sound so opiniony. Can we find something from the books, some reference, to make it more solid. I'll keep looking, but I figured I'd ask. "It could be said that Raistlin's magic is a compensation for the things that he feels he can never have. He nurses his magic, because it gives him a sense of satisfaction, a sense of self-worth, that he the frail, weak, ridiculed, detested brother has something to which he and he alone can claim superiority. To maintain this sense of self-satisfaction however, he must attain greater and greater levels of mastery in his art in order to feel at peace with himself." Vyselink (talk) 06:35, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for cleaning this page up. Most of the article is unsourced, so whatever you can add citations to would make it that much better. I think it would be nice to have this article at GA-level, like Drizzt Do'Urden is. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 21:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree. I'm thinking about making this my pet topic over the month I have between semesters at college. I love these books, and he's my favorite character, so I'd like to get this article up to GA-level, if possible. It might take a while, and I would love any help I can get.Vyselink (talk) 21:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, great! :) I'm not sure if there is anyone still active on Wikipedia for Dragonlance articles, but you can ask around at the D&D Wikiproject page and see what's up. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 23:12, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I have changed the sentence at the end to read like this " Raistlin views magic as a way to compensate for the lack of physical strength and personal charisma that his brother has, and the inadequacy he feels about having to rely on others [2]." And I moved it to allow for better flow.Vyselink (talk) 21:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Other Media section[edit]

Under the "Other Media" section, "Soulforge gambeook" and "Dragonlance movie" are fine, but the "Music" and "Comic" sections are completely unsourced. As for the "Music" section, I have no idea what any of those bands, songs, and people mentioned are, so if anyone has any good sources please put them in. For the "Comic" section, if we at least had the original dates of publication, or a link to a website where the comics can be found, that would be awesome. Here is a website for the "Bob and George" comic, but as I have no idea when it was published I'm not sure where to look. http://www.bobandgeorge.com/archives/archives.php. Same with the "Something Positive" http://www.somethingpositive.net/archive.shtml. If I can't find any sources, it seems to me that they will have to be removed, as I want to bring this article up to GA-level, and we need solid sources for that.Vyselink (talk) 21:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, as I have had no objections, I am going to remove them. I have been unable to find sources for the comic and music sections, so until someone can we should just get rid of them. Vyselink (talk) 23:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Too Long and Factual Accuracies[edit]

It contains a plot summary that may be too long or overly detailed. Tagged since April 2008. Its factual accuracy is disputed. Tagged since June 2008.

These are problems that have been tagged for this page. I'm not personally too keen on the "factual accuracy" part, as from what I can see the information given in this article is pretty accurate, although I can see it saying that for now as the information DEFINITELY needs to be sourced. As for the too long part, I'm not sure if I agree with that, although I hope to take a closer look as soon as my college finals are over. If anyone else has any ideas, please let me know. Vyselink (talk) 21:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Those were probably added by User:Gavin.collins, who has a history of over-tagging D&D-related articles. Feel free to remove/disregard any tags that are probably inaccurate. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 23:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I have waited several days now, and no one has objected to my removing the tags. So I will do so now. Vyselink (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

The Test[edit]

I have split "The Test and mercenary work" into two sections, and greatly expanded and re-wrote "The Test" section. Any thoughts? Vyselink (talk) 01:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Quality source[edit]

This looks like a great source: Religious Concepts in Fantasy Literature. ISBN 9783640661428. Don't have time to sort it out right now, but wanted to link it for later use. —Torchiest talkedits 01:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion?[edit]

Where was a merge discussion on this page ever held? I don't see one here... Jclemens (talk) 03:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

See the mass merge discussion that led to Raistlin and many other articles being merged. BOZ (talk) 13:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
if any of the characters need their own page it is Raistlin. I will look for some refs. Web Warlock (talk) 13:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I see no evidence that the expected (required?) merge notice ({{tl:mergefrom}}) was ever posted to the page in question. This casts serious doubts on the legitimacy of any supposed consensus obtained in that discussion, especially if the other articles were likewise not tagged appropriately during the discussion. Jclemens (talk) 15:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I recommend joining in the above linked-to conversation on the list talk page, at Talk:List of Dragonlance characters#Goldmoon and Raistlin. BOZ (talk) 15:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Condensing history[edit]

If this article is to be kept and avoid an overly in-universe status, it needs to be trimmed. I think just about everything in these sections:

2 Early life
3 The Test
4 Mercenary Work
5 Involvement in the War of the Lance
6 Legends
7 Raistlin's return
8 Raistlin's daughter

should be cut, then compressed down into one simplified history section. The character profile probably needs trimming too, as it has a good amount of original research right now, e.g. "There are also rare instances when Raistlin feels genuine regret that he cannot return to the times of his childhood, when he was capable of feeling love. This is somewhat of a regular occurrence throughout the saga, and to a large degree adds to his relative depth." Thoughts? —Torchiest talkedits 18:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough!  :) BOZ (talk) 19:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I disagree. I can see condensing 7&8 into one smaller section, or just deleting both, as the whole Raistlin's daughter thing was realistically a very minor subplot, as was his return during Palin's test. Legends (6) is already pretty condensed as it takes place over three books and is only about 550-600 words long. I would agree with merging the Mercenary Work (4) as an opening to the War of the Lance (5) section, and possibly cutting it down. But his Early Life (2) and Test (3) are essential to understanding Raistlin as a character. I also don't understand the "overly in-universe" argument. Raistlin doesn't exist in the real world, so virtually anything we talk about is going to be "in universe". Unless you are proposing to delete the entire page except for the opening and "other media" sections, a wholesale demolishing of the page is uncalled for. Vyselink (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)