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Untitled[edit]

Removed Land under irrigation totals 46.5 million hac.

Hac should be explained. Some sources suggest that hac = hectare, but then this is more than the total area.--Patrick 22:09, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC) http://myjhunjhunu.com

Indus Valley[edit]

Indus valley also centered around Rajasthan such as the city of Kalibangan. So I propose to add this information in the History section. Dewan S. Ahsan 23:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Name of Rajasthan?[edit]

What does the toponym Rajasthan mean? I'm assuming it means "Land of Kings"? Le Anh-Huy 18:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Official language[edit]

Is Rajasthani really one of the official languages of Rajasthan? I thought Hindi was the official language of Rajasthan, although most of the citizens speak Rajasthani. --SameerKhan 01:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Various dialects of Rajasthani (such as Mewari, Marwari, Dhoondari etc. are spoken in different areas of Rajasthan. The Government uses Hindi and to some extent English for its official work. rakshat12:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Reason behind name Rajasthan is Raja-stahan(in hindi) if we join these two words raja and sthan then it will become rajasthan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.189.81 (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

History section needs rewrite[edit]

The History section in this article begins with Rajputana and projects as if there was no history earlier. It is misleading and needs to rewrite. The early history has not been mentioned so it may be added.

Rajputana name for Rajasthan prior to independence creates confusion as if Rajput population is in majority in this state. Thakur Deshraj has provided facts that total Jat population in Rajasthan in 1931 census was 11,42,025 where as Rajput population was 6,33,830. Thus Jats were about double the population of Rajputs. Shekhawati was part of Jaipur state, which had the highest Jat population of 3,13,609. In some of the princely states it was about 25 percent of total population, forming the single largest caste. [1] As per Imperial Gazeteer of India v-8, p-22, More than 44 per cent of the population in Bhadra tehsil in 1901, were Jats at that time. [2]

Historical traditions are that Jats, Bhils, Ahirs, Gujars, Meenas and some other tribes had a great contribution in building the state of Rajasthan along with Rajputs. All these tribes had to suffer great difficulties to protect their culture and the land. Millions of them martyred for this land. ‘The Hinduan Suraj’ title to Udaipur was due to Bhils. Jats had been fighting since beginning. Gujars had been exterminated in Bhinmal and Ajmer areas fighting with the invaders. Bhils ruled Kota and Bundi one time. Gujars were sardars in Alwar, Jodhpur and Ajmer areas. [3]

The truth is that purohits, Charans and Court poets out of greed for money and land gave prominence to Rajputs. Later James Tod wrote annals after taking bribe from Maharaja Udaipur and Maharaja Jodhpur of the Rajputana state. He was biased towards these states and Rajputs. The earlier contributions of warriors and protectors of the land Jats, Bhils, Gujars and Meenas were neglected and lost in the history. [4]

Jats lived in the Thar Desert since ancient times according to the puranic sources. They were also settled in Sindh and Punjab who migrated to the desert area of Rajasthan from time to time. The Author of the book ‘India of the dark ages’ writes that Jat republics were present in Rajasthan. Rule of Yaudheyas in desert area and naga Jats in Nagaur has been mentioned. [5] These republics were there till the rule of Harshavardhana. After the fall Harsha in 647 AD, the Jat republics weakened due to invasions by Mugals, Turks, Muslims and Yavanas. In the sixth and seventh century when new Agnikula clan of Rajputas was created in mount Abu, many of the Jat clans merged in them. Rajput sangha was formed from Gujar clans also. The Jat clans who joined Rajput sangha were termed Rajputs. Jat clans who did not leave the Vedic tradition of widow marriage remained in Jat sangha. Later during Muslim rule, to avoid the excesses by Mugals some of these Rajputs started child marriages of girls and the widow marriages, these groups left Rajput sangha and joined again the Jats and Gurjars. According to the records of Bhats, the rule of Anangapal and Prithvi Raj Chauhan was on these Jat areas of Ajmer, Sambhar, Fulera, and Shekhawati and up to Delhi. After the fall of Prithvi Raj Chauhan, there was no alternative left for these clans except to join the Jat sangha. The large number of common clans amongst Rajputs, Jats and Gurjars indicates that intermixing of clans with these sanghas was a trend at that time. [5]


  1. ^ Thakur Deshraj, Jat Itihas (Hindi), Maharaja Suraj Mal Smarak Shiksha Sansthan, Delhi, 1934, 2nd edition 1992, page-694
  2. ^ Imperial Gazeteer of India v-8,p-22
  3. ^ Thakur Deshraj, Jat Itihas (Hindi), Maharaja Suraj Mal Smarak Shiksha Sansthan, Delhi, 1934, 2nd edition 1992 page 588.
  4. ^ Dr Natthan Singh, Jat-Itihas, (Jat History), Jat Samaj Kalyan Parishad, F-13, Dr Rajendra Prasad Colony, Tansen marg, Gwalior, M.P, India 474 002 2004, page-91
  5. ^ a b Sahiram, Ek adhūrī krānti, Shekhawati kā kisān āndolan (1922-1952), page - 14

burdak 05:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Map of Rajputana[edit]

I could not understand what does the Map of Rajputana has the significance. It has text massage under the image - Image:Rajputana 1909.jpg|thumb|right|250px|

"Rajsthan was known as Rajputana before its formation in 1949. You can clearly view the difference between 1909 and 1949".

It is not clear what does this image want to prove. It seems against NPOV policy of Wikipedia and may be considered for removing or refitting. --burdak 04:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Marwaris[edit]

I have changed the structure of the article and removed extensive information on Marwaris. Somebody needs to watch this page and this massive edit went unnoticed. --Mellisa Anthony Jones (talk) 10:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually Marwaris was the term given to the ethnicity to the people of this region. Yash Agarwal (talk) 12:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Rajasthan workgroup Addition[edit]

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Rajasthan workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Rajasthan or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 09:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

1949 or 1956?[edit]

The text says that the state was formed in 1949, but the info box gives a date in 1956. Which is correct? Did the borders or the name change between these two years? I'd be grateful for any clarification. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosignedunsigned comment added by 71.17.154.153 (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Politics[edit]

The Politics section should be balanced and more neutral. Right now it sounds like a political thriller novel. also, citations... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.118.104 (talk) 14:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Ratputs[edit]

Since Rajasthan was previously known as Rajputana, is it likely that the largest people group in the region (Rajasthanis) are in fact Rajputs?

Clean up in history[edit]

The History section need a clean up. The second half of it has no citations about many battles and facts. Also, there is too much zeal in the writing: especially in the second half, too much narration about the battles.

This is only a subsection of the Rajasthan article. If someone want to know more details of the history, they will click on the main article: History of Rajasthan link.

I don't mean to offend. I thank whoever contributed. I don't know much about Rajasthan, so I cannot change any content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.154.22 (talk) 05:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

History[edit]

Gurjar Pratihars domination around ninth century.
Maharana Pratap Singh, legendary sixteenth century Rajput ruler of Rajasthan.
The iconic Mehrangarh Fort built by Rao Jodha in 1459.
The Chittorgarh Fort is one of the largest forts in Asia.
Hawa Mahal or "Palace of Winds" in Jaipur.

"Traditionally the, Meenas , Rajputs, Yadavs, Jats, Bhils, Gurjars, , Bishnois and other tribes made a great contribution in building the state of Rajasthan. All these tribes suffered great difficulties in protecting their culture and the land. Millions[1] of them were martyred trying to protect their land. Gurjars had been exterminated in Bhinmal and Ajmer areas fighting with the invaders. Bhils once ruled Kota.[1] Meenas were rulers of Bundi and Dhundhar region.[citation needed]"

How is the clean up I have done be considered vandalism. As it can clearly be seen that there is many grammer mistakes above. As well as the fact that there are two (,) next to each other. Please explain why my changes are considered vandalism?

Natural features: Climate, Vegetation cover...[edit]

Who could add information about natural features of Rajasthan, e.g. the climate (temperatures, rainfall, seasons,...) natural vegetation, drainage, water availability, besides the main landscapes mentioned? Mregelsberger (talk) 08:32, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Video of Rajasthan India with Pictures and names[edit]

Hello I have made a video of Rajasthan India with pictures and names and I was hoping someone can use it here for some help or something then. I wasn't sure what to do with it when it came to wikipedia, so here is the link, if anyone can use it for Wikipedia or in general then here then here http://www.youtube.com/DjBobbyLosAngeles#p/u/6/jxjZlzQl-Zw 71.106.83.19 (talk) 20:12, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Article quality[edit]

I just tried to improve the Tourism in Rajasthan section. Here are a few suggestions, to people adding to the article, based on what I saw there:

- Avoid the temptation to list more and more things in a single sentence. Most sentences should be short and punchy, and should not be lists.

- Before adding something, ask yourself: is it _really_ one of the most famous, important features of Rajasthan? Only then should you add it.

- If a sentence does list things, usually they should be of the same type -- for example, it could be a list of cities, or a list of palaces.

- Specific places, forts, etc. should be capitalized (Jaipur, Lake Palace, ...). Non-specific things should not; we might talk in general about Rajasthan's forts, palaces, temples, etc.

- I know many of you are not native English speakers, but to the extent possible, follow the rules of grammar and punctuation.

- Avoid overly colorful language. Don't say things like Rajasthan is the heart and soul of India, with unparalleled beauty and grandeur... remember, this is an encyclopedia, not an advertisement!

In general, it's great when you add info to the article, but try to maintain the quality of the article in the process. Kier07 (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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Weird stuff with reverting vandalism[edit]

Someone had deleted everything but the first paragraph, and the bot had reverted it, but the revert didn't dispaly. I clicked undo at the edit that had blanked the article, and then clicked submit, it displays correctly now, but my revert is not shown in the edit history, probably because it's not changed from the edit the bot made -- when I clicked edit after the bot had reverted, the source was correct but when I clicked article it was the same as before the bot's revert. The revert had been about three hours before that, immediately after the blanking.

Separatists movement[edit]

I can find no reliable sources that even mention the Rajputana Liberation Front. Can anyone confirm that it consists of anything more than three men and their dog? Have they received coverage (no matter how little) in any reliable source? Skinsmoke (talk) 20:31, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I've removed it for now; if someone can provide at least an RS saying they exist and were at least a little bit worth talking about, it can be re-added...though we'll still have to consider WP:DUE. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. Unfortunately, the section on "Politics" is practically useless. Even the main article linked is more about personalities than the actual politics. The section really needs expansion. If it can be demonstrated that the "Rajputana Liberation Front" actually exists, and has been reported on, whether within India or abroad, even if it has not contested elections or been involved in extra-parliamentary activity (its website claims that it is non-violent, so we would be talking about campaigning on issues, or even a single issue), then it would be appropriate to mention it, as has been done with the nationalist organisations at Cornwall. However, I have a suspicion that this particular organisation is, at least to date, little more than a couple of friends talking in their living room. Skinsmoke (talk) 04:06, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

There is no "Rajputana Liberation Front" in India, The ONLY website that exists out there on the Internet is owned by Pakistani nationalists (tracing the only RLF website through IP). If there was such thing it would have made headlines in the media in India, there should be atlest media articles on that subject if it existed like Kashmir Separatist movement and Khalistan movement for example but there is none. It should not be promoted.

Is this for real?[edit]

"Spirit possession has been documented in modern Rajasthan. Some of the spirits possessing Rajasthanis are seen as good and beneficial, while others are seen as malevolent. The good spirits include murdered royalty, the underworld god Bhaironji, and Muslim saints. Bad spirits include perpetual debtors who die in debt, stillborn infants, deceased widows, and foreign tourists." lol!

History section[edit]

This article relies too heavily on zealous puffers-up of history such as Thakur Deshraj. Rajasthan is a well-documented region and there is no need at all to use such sources. Deshraj is actually the best of the bunch - as the article phrasing indicates, there are far worse pseudo-historian sources being cited. I realise that the main article is History of Rajasthan but I dread to look at that one. A massive clean-up of the section is required and, really, should not be too difficult. Of course, I'm saying nothing hew here - it has been said by others above - but perhaps it is about time that we did something about it. - Sitush (talk) 12:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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