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Edit request on 14 June 2013[edit]

Bais is mentioned as Agnivashi clan under Solanki but referring to Wiki paga of Bais Rajputs @ under "History and origin" section, Bais Rajputs are Suryavanshi. Further, the article at confirms that Bais Rajputs belong to Suryavanshi vansh or lineage. Please make necessar changes.

Srp3563 (talk) 19:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Neither Wikipedia nor any other wiki site is considered a reliable source in and of itself. If either of those two pages you provided is backed by a reliable source, you are welcome to provide that here. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

(02-July-2013) Well, I could cite a reference on this. Please refer Chapter 2 from the book "Hand book on Rajputs" written by Captain A H Bingley in 1899. The section, on "Bais", clearly mentions Bais as one of the major 36 Rajput Royal races with a connection to Suryavansh. I hope that forms a valid citation now for the change. Srp3563 (talk) 18:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Further to your amended request, A. H. Bingley - in common with most Raj writers - is not a reliable source. - Sitush (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Please consider that plenty of pages have referred to this literature from Captain A H Bingley as reliable sources. Few to mention are the following pages:
etc... Request you to consider the reference in current context as well. Srp3563 (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

The fact that other Wikipedia articles use Bingley as a source is just one reason why Wikipedia articles are themselves not considered to be reliable sources. - Sitush (talk) 19:20, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Here is another citation, Page 110 of Rural Settlements: Planning and Development by Nand Lal written in 1989 quotes the following: "(a) Spatial Diffusion of Bais Rajput Clan Settlements Bais Rajput clan is one of the most influential clans of Rae Bareli district. It has been listed as the 'Surajbansi' Rajput belonging to the 'Surya' (Sun god) gotra."Srp3563 (talk) 20:01, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: You've been told these are not reliable. Mdann52 (talk) 18:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with 36 royal races[edit]

These articles seem to be about the same clans הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 14:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Not necessarily. One major problem is that there is no academic consensus regarding what constitute the 36 royal races. Indeed, I'm not even sure that it is a term often used nowadays by academics, although it was a favourite of pseudo-academics such as James Tod, who is not reliable. - Sitush (talk) 14:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Valid or not, isn't the concept referred to the same? Many of the clan names match, at first glance. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose: As per Sitush's argument. Also, merging 36 royal races with Rajput clans will give a impression that all of the listed clans are direct descendants of Rajputs, which itself would be seriously controversial and contentious, as it is being put forward by many academicians that Rajputs are also from one of the later wave of inward migration to India. Besides, it reads 36 royal races, not 36 Rajput races ?! Tod's list is not the only one, and the Article says that 36 royal races#Kumarapala Prabandha list included Mauryas as well. Mauryas were different, they were not of Rajput descent. I think We should avoid the merge. Sincerely, ← Abstruce 18:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
    • 36 royal races is not related only to the Rajputs. There are names of clans from North India as well as few Eastern parts. This gives a view of author's classification, however, such a list was not followed as a universal rule for royal clans. This discussion should be closed and the tag should be removed from the related page. Without proper evidence, this page should not even exist. Abhishek Pujari (talk) 06:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2014[edit]

Add gahadwal also known as gadhwal/garhwal,suryvanshi rajput in suryvanshi lineage of rajput clan,it is major as many suryvanshi clan have born out of them. (talk) 00:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2014[edit]

There are some other Rajput goth that are not mentioned in your article . These are sabra(sabbra), sapra (sappra) , basra (bassra)and may be some other also exist. and one thing more Rajput use a title (Rana or Chaudhary) and at last name the word khan used. Mohammad Mohsin Sarfraz (talk) 08:51, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited any reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)