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Shouldn't the main article be Raksha Bhandan and that one mention Rakhi, rather than the way it is now? Sfacets 13:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I second that. Does anyone have a legitimate reason for making "Rakhi" the main article, rather than "Rakshabandhan"? FashionNugget 14:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The story of Humayaun and Rani Karnavati is a fiction and not a true history. There is no historical account or evidence to prove this incidence. Please remove this misleading Para about the history "Rani Karnawati and Emperor Humayun ". This incidense of Rani Karnavati is derived from AMAR CHITRA KATHA which is a comic book, hence the incidense in more or less a fiction and doesn't represents the history. Hence needs to be removed from Wikepedia about Raksha Bandhan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikramaditya dalvi (talkcontribs) 07:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Indra's Wife[edit]

Indra's wife is Indrani (Aindri). Rakhi was tied by Indra's sister and Brihaspathi; not Indra's wife. In that case - even today, Rakhi should be tied by wives, not sisters. Simynazareth 05:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Implicit Advertisements[edit]

Most of the external links provide advertisements to Rakhi greeting cards, rakhi gifts etc. Not sure if these links should be kept. Simynazareth 06:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

How to?[edit]

Disposal of Rakhi part was removed by user Ronz with reason: Removed - this is not a how to. Could you kindly explain about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.88.145.9 (talkcontribs) 19:48, 28 August 2007

Thanks for asking. The comment was a bit brief, and I should have probably explained further here when I made the edit. WP:NOT#HOWTO describes how articles should not instruct or otherwise serve as manuals. Further, the section was not written per WP:NPOV, but rather is taken almost directly from the source, a source that assumes certain religious beliefs and attitudes. Finally, the section did not make sense grammatically (neither does the source). --Ronz 22:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Ronz. I have some doubts. Appreciate if you can help to understand. Refer the 'featured' article Flag of India. Under 'Proper flag protocol', method of disposal is provided. How do you see this? And about article, I must say that the article I had referred is providing very good and pure information about Raksha Bandhan without any religious bias.
Next point - If you are going at gross level, then even Google has also faced allegations of WP:POV. Many newspapers are sued for editorials with WP:POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.88.145.9 (talk) 07:32, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
The religious source here is not equivalent to a government source in Flag of India. Please review WP:NPOV, especially WP:WEIGHT.
"If you are going at gross level" I dont understand. I'm guessing your review of NPOV will help clarify though. --Ronz 17:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Misprint in the title[edit]

There is a misprint in the title, it should be Raksha Bandhan, not Raksha Bhandan. Word raksha (रक्षा) means protection, bandhan is derived from the verb bandhna (बंधना or बँधना) meaning to be tied (see in WordAnywhere). The correct Hindi name is रक्षाबंधन॰ --Zdeněk Wagner (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

actually it should be raksha bandhana, not bandhan. bandhan has no meaning in sanskrutam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.67.10 (talk) 05:08, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Vastra Haran[edit]

From the article: Krishna paid the debit of love during Vastra haran of Draupadi. Draupdi's Vastra Haran was done in the assembly of King Dritrashtra,when Yudishter her husband lost her in gamble.

What is the Vastra haran of Draupadi? What is Vastra Haran? Should it be made a link to an article called Vastra Haran? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.8.84 (talk) 14:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Chittor legend around Rakhi[edit]

The legend around Rakhi, attributed to Rani Padmini in section - Raksha_Bandhan#Rani_padmini_and_Emperor_Humayun is also attributed to Rani Karnavati, which seems more plausible, as Rani Padmini committed Jauhar on August 26, 1303, much before the time of Humayun as suggested in the section. Someone needs to correct it, by checking facts through appropriate sources --Ekabhishek (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

there is no evidence of this festival "growing in popularity" after the Humayun incident — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.13.238 (talk) 22:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

We've a source that says otherwise. You removed the source with the information. Why? --Ronz (talk) 00:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

says who? oh, "Criminal lawyer Majeed Memon" says so? who is he and what is his authority regarding Raksha Bandhan? Just because some random person who celebrates the festival says so, doesn't make it a credible statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.13.238 (talk) 05:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

"According to a mid-seventeenth century Rajasthani account, Rani Karnavati, the Rana's mother, sent a bracelet as rakhi to Humayun, who gallantly responded and helped. Since none of the contemporary sources mention this, little credit can be given to this story ..." It is simply a legend. You cannot state it in such a matter of fact way, that Raksha Bandhan's popularity grew after a legend. It is acceptable for the legend to appear further below and it is backed up with a number of sources- that is perfectly ok. Just dont have it in the beginning in such a way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.13.238 (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

So this problem here appears to be the source is being removed without even a glance at the footnote. I'll copy it here to make it clear:

"Raksha Bandhan is a secular festival, say liberal Muslims who have no qualms about celebrating it within and outside the community. Even the ulema has given its nod of approval. “We should not forget that historically, the festival became popular after Rani Karnawati, the widowed queen of Chittor, sent a rakhi to the Mughal emperor Humayun when she required his help,’’ says eminent cleric Maulana Abu Hassan Nadvi Azhari. “Islam favours everything that promotes peace and harmony. Raksha Bandhan cannot be associated with one particular religion. It is a secular festival and Muslims should not have a problem accepting a rakhi.’’"

So, we aren't quoting a lawyer.
I understand, and can see in the editing by others, that there are cultural objections to the origins, popularism, and secularization of the festival. Removing this sourced content without even reading what the source states appears to be another way of expressing such an objection.
Best way to continue is to provide other sources, while properly identifying the nature and content of those currently in use.
However, there are many ways to proceed. WP:3O would be a simple way to move forward. --Ronz (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

"According to a mid-seventeenth century Rajasthani account, Rani Karnavati, the Rana's mother, sent a bracelet as rakhi to Humayun, who gallantly responded and helped. Since none of the contemporary sources mention this, little credit can be given to this story ..." This is stated by one of the sources present in this article.

This Maulana isn't a credible historian. If historians state that little credit can be given to this story, you cant state it in such a matter of fact way — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.13.238 (talk) 18:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I have added "one islamic scholar believes" to make it better. that way, it doenst seem as though Raksha Bandhan's present popularity owes entirely to one isolated episode which may not have occurred. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.13.238 (talk) 18:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

That seems to be an improvement.
I think this would be best addressed by finding better histories of this and the related festivals, as well as better sources on the secularization of the festival. --Ronz (talk) 20:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination[edit]

Raksha Bandhan[edit]

What about Sikhs?[edit]

I have read through the article and no where I see signs of mentioning Sikhs, who also celebrate this festival. In the introduction, the text clearly says that "...is observed by Hindus and Muslims". This is not the whole truth. Although, Raksha bandan is not an official Sikh festival, it is celebrated by the younger generations of Sikhs, both in Punjab and abroad. I am a Sikh myself, and our family celebrate this day every single year. This is a festival common to Hindus and Sikhs, as well as some Muslims. With regards − Sandip90 (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Time to protect the article?[edit]

The article is regularly vandalized and used for promotional purposes. Obviously some cultural differences are coming into play with the editing. Shall we protect the article from ip editing? --Ronz (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm giving it a few more days, now that it is past and interest in the article declining. --Ronz (talk) 20:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced material: Indra and Indrani, Rabindranath Tagore & Rakhi[edit]

Anyone have time to find some sources for this ?

2013 date[edit]

What is the date for this festival in 2013? Thanks. howcheng {chat} 05:30, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Can someone change the title?[edit]

There is a misspelling. it should be Raksha Bandhana, not Raksha Bandhan-this word doesn't mean anything. It's like writing Americ instead of writing America. 74.194.67.10 (talk) 05:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Can you give a reliable source for the name as you mentioned? -- L o g X 13:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

i had to look around because most of the English papers writing about this are written from Hindi-speaking perspective. http://www.wmich.edu/dialogues/themes/indianwords.htm http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bandana https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bandana

It denotes that Bandana is a meaning for kerchief. Please cite with a reliable source. -- L o g X 17:37, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Bandhana means to tie.Which is what raksha bandhana means.You TIE the raksha around the wrist. this is a reliable source and the word is bandhana. Only in Hindi is it Bandhan and that's a variant/derivative of the real word. dI'm not sure how this is not a reliable source;it's a dictionary and an university site. You can read the article for a clearer understanding of what Raksha Bandhana is to understand why tying is pertinent and how bandana relates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.224.225 (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 September 2013[edit]

This article has many spelling mistakes. The title should be Raksha Bandhana.

I tried to reason w/ a user about the spelling issues but to no avail and it ultimately ended in locking the article and preventing the corrections.

mistakes like: bandhan,shravan,munh-bola bhai,Indra Dev.

These words do not exist in sanskrutam. they have no meaning. this is either Hindi or some other derivative language and this is a long standing tradition that exists throughout India, not restricted to a Hindi speaking area.


Here are the corrections: Bandhan is Hindi for Bandhana which is the real word. Shravan-Shravana munh-bola bhai-should be specified as the regional word for what it is describing. Indra Dev-Indra Deva

Ganesh-Ganesha

Shubh-Shubha

labh-Labha

Shishupal-Shishupala - Wikipedia's own page has most of these corrections

Clearly written by a Hindi(or north Indian lang.) speaking person and biased. I hope someone can make these corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.67.10 (talkcontribs)

(refactored into new section for readabilty)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Since the article was evidently protected due to this dispute over spelling, it is not something that can be handled through a simple edit request. I would suggest providing reliable sources that back up your claims, which as explained above the previously given references do not. BryanG (talk) 00:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

it turns out to be bandha. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=bandana&searchmode=none is this legitimate enough?

even if you disagree w/ this, certainly you cannot disagree w/ the other parts i've addressed. wikipedia itself supports me.

Indian postal department participation[edit]

I removed an unsourced addition [1] on the participation by the Indian postal department. A quick search finds articles such as http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/Postal-dept-launches-spl-Rakhi-envelopes/articleshow/9471558.cms that verify some participation. The addition of the information in the ritual sub-section also seems out of place. Perhaps we find a few more sources and create a new sub-section? --Ronz (talk) 15:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Raksha Bandhan and Muslims[edit]

There is no mention of Raksha Bandhan in Quran or Hadiths. Muslims in Middle East, North Africa, Southeast Asia do not celebrate it. There is no verifiable source suggesting Muslim women tie Rakhi to Muslim men in India or elsewhere. To claim Raksha Bandhan as a Muslim festival is WP:OR and WP:UNDUE.

Just because some Hindu queens sent a Rakhi to some Muslims in India, centuries ago, is not sufficient reason to allege it is a Muslim festival in infobox or lead. Nor are WP:FRINGE incidents in modern times. Personal opinions of some Muslims is not WP:RS and is WP:ADVOCACY. Yes, a mention of it being accepted by some Muslims in India can be made in the multi-culturalism section, but anything more is undue. Abbey kershaw (talk) 08:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

These arguments seem to be OR, giving undue weight to personal opinions over actual sources. --Ronz (talk) 15:06, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2014[edit]

In article "Raksha Bandhan": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raksha_Bandhan, there is an error in the passage Indra Dev under Myths and Parables. Sachi is the wife of Indra then how can she tie a sacred thread around Indra's wrist given in line three. She must have tied it around Lord Vishnu's wrist otherwise the statement is very wrong and makes no sense. (Aikagras (talk) 17:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)) Aikagras (talk) 17:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Can someone provide a source to clear this up? --Ronz (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Aikagras, see Volume 3 of Encyclopaedia of Hinduism (5 volumes), ISBN 978-8176250641, at pages 536-537. The Indra and Sachi story is there. The short explanation to your question is that the modern practice of Raksha Bandhan celebrates Sister-Brother like relationship. This was not necessarily so in ancient times, and various myths. Rakhi thread had a broader scope and purpose. These threads were amulets of India, an idea very common in the history of Europe, and other civilizations. As amulets, these threads were tied by wife to husband going to war, or by a worried mother on her child's wrist (such as the Yasoda-Krishna story in this article), or etc. to protect the person. Abbey kershaw (talk) 17:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Odds were 1 in 7[edit]

SO CLOSE it was almost right - http://www.dayoftheweek.org/?m=August&d=29&y=2015&go=Go Asat (talk) 08:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)