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...[edit]

Is there any official news about a break-up? JimmyShelter 09:18, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No. There wasn't. Rancid has had side projects for a long time, it means little. Sounds like some non-facts getting into there. Since it can't be verified by any stretch of the imagination, it has no place in an encyclopedia. THollan

THollan, I found it on the Internet Movie Database of Tim Armstrong, that's how I found out about some break-up. Well, it seems that somebody must be wrong when it was posted it at the "Where Are They Now?" section. -- Mike Garcia 23:06, 9 Mar

2005 (UTC)

I will try and find out where in the charts their singles were. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:35, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


I think the section about Billy Joe Armstrong is a little confusing when it refers to "Armstrong", because it could also be talking about Tim Armstrong (aren't they brothers?)--CallmeNiel 03:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC) no they are not brothers! btw it's Billie joe

Billie Joe Armstrong and Tim Armstrong have to be related in some way. Not only did Green Day in the early days play with OpIvy (early incarnation of Rancid, with Tim Armstrong) and watch their shows in the old Bay City scene, but they have consistently remained fans of Operation Ivy and Rancid to this day and Billie Joe has done some work with them. I find it hard to believe that Billie Joe isn't at least a cousin or something of Tim's.

They are in no way related. Armstrong is a fairly common name. Billie Joe was just an avid Op Ivy fan and developed a friendship with Tim which has been maintained to this day.

Just because people sometimes have the same last name (like Williams, Johnson, Jones or Smith), doesn't mean they're actually related. Like for example: MxPx's Mike Herrera also has the same last name as the drummer from Suicidal Tendencies, but does that mean they could be related as well? Alex 03:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Indestructible[edit]

This makes no sense

(the 2003 follow-up album Indestructible was released by Warner Bros. Records where the band continue to be signed to this day.**) Rancid's 2003 album Indestructible was released under Hellcat Records. While Warner Bros. Records were responsible for distribution of this album. Rancid never actually signed to Warner Bros. Records.

So Indestructible was:

1. Released by Warner Bros
2. Released under Hellcat but distributed by Warner Bros

and Rancid:

1. are currently signed to Warner Bros
2. have never been signed to Warner Bros

If I've interpretted this incorrectly, perhaps it needs to be reworded.

--Aioth 09:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Rancid is indeed still on Hellcat Records. Hellcat and Warner Bros hooked up in a distribution deal with the goal being more album sales and promotion for Indestructible. Warner Bros dealt only with the marketing and advertising of the album. If you look at a copy of Indestructible, there is no Warner Bros logo on it, just Hellcat. They are on Hellcat with promotional help from Warner Bros.24.144.213.69 02:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but if you look at epitaph records, there is no record of them releasing their cd through epitaph, so I think in all honesty, the page should relfect that. Only the LP appears to be released through Epitaph, so why not note that on the page?

Side Projects[edit]

Matt Freeman was also a member of Aunite Christ, along with Exene and DJ Bonebreak from the band X. He appeared on their Lookout Records release, "Life Could Be a Dream" L176, February 1997. He toured with the band for a bit then had to leave the band because Rancid was recording/touring more.

Also, is it me or was ...And Out Come the Wolves more of a commercial success than Let's Go? I think Time Bomb, Roots Radicals and Ruby Soho did better on the airwaves and television than any Let's Go single.

And finally, Lars Fredericksen it should be noted that he has produced quite a few Oi/Street Punk band's albums including: Swingin' Utters - Streets of San Francisco, Patriot - We the People, Pressure Point - Cross to Bear and Life's Blood as well as The Forgotten - Veni Vidi Vici. There are most likely more, but those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head. He also did some back up guitars and vocals for Union 13's Roots Radicals cover on the Give 'Em The Boot 1 compilation. clash77 - August 13, 2006

Other Songs Appeared On[edit]

Both Tim and Lars have also appeared on: Dr. Israel's Inna City Pressure album, the song "Coppers" On the West Memphis 3 Compilation, Rise Above DJ Citizen D 03:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Pop punk[edit]

Shouldn't pop punk be added, because some websites such as the amg refer to them as that.DavidJJJ 20:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah i agree. if you could add pop punk as one of their genres and cite the sources it should be fine ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓ ( TalkContribs ) 10:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Well I haven't seen any negatives and I also agree so I'm adding Pop Punk to the genres.--Dr who1975 17:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Somebody wanted a citation... so I have added that as well.--Dr who1975 23:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree. how are they pop-punk? If you listen to these guys then compare them to other bands labeled pop-punk such as sum 41, blink-182, simple plan, or good charlotte, theres definitely a huge difference. if you want to change the genre at all, I suggest that it should be Punk Rock, Ska Punk, and Hardcore Punk. a good example of when their hardcore punk sound is heard is in the album Rancid (2000 album). and about the citation, i don't think that about.com is a reliable source to label any band from. anyone up to changing it?
I don't agree either. Allmusic.com is wrong, Rancid has never been a pop-punk band as far as I can honestly tell. When I listen to their albums, including ...And Out Come the Wolves, their music is far more like ska or whatever genre that is similar to punk and none of the songs they use sorta have pop-punk. I've had an incident of something like this at The Offspring's talk page months ago. Alex 04:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
If you look not only at the definition on allmusic but also at the definition of pop punk on wikipedia. Pop punk bands are any bands that have elements of pop and punk, and Rancid is mentioned on it. I actually don;t totally agree with the definition but if you want to try to change it then be my guest.--Dr who1975 22:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Rancid being Pop Punk is incorrect and an insult to them. i dont care what citations you have, it needs to me removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.246.61 (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
You said it's an insult but you don't explain why. Ranicd has many pop songs such as Ruby Soho. Many bands on wikipedia are labeled pop punk such as The Ramones,The Jam, and NOFX... the definition of pop punk on wikipedia is any band that has element of pop and punk so this could even apply to many other bands. Rancid is even mentioned on the pop punk page.--Dr who1975 17:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree that Rancid should be labeled Pop Punk. Rancid may have a couple of songs with elements of Pop Punk such as Ruby Soho as previously said, but really wikipedia is about the broad genre of a band. If wikipedia was about naming every musical style that a band uses rarely in their songs than each band would be defined by probably eight genres; however that’s not the case. The couple of songs that Rancid does have that could be described as pop-punk hardly justifies them being labeled as pop-punk on their wikipedia article. I don’t think it really matters what citation you have, random websites describing band’s genres are usually just opinions; the only people who should be able to label a band is the band, and as far as I hear Rancid never describes themselves as Pop Punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.184.66 (talk) 00:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Read what User:Dr who1975 says about lacking the pop punk genre above. Alex 04:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
If Pop Punk is added, why isn't Reggae? They have just as many Reggae songs.GenLancelot (talk) 02:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I strongly agree as well, and now that's 7 negatives now so I'm removing it because I don't thnk it is accrate to lump themin a genre with bands like Blink 182 and Good Charlotte. They are instead more akin to a '77 classic-style older punk sound. User:Tim010987 (talk) 07:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

But this isn't about voting... wikipedia is not a democracy... you have to make valid arguments with valid citations.... the pop punk genre is cited and the others that you left were not (although I went ahead and cited them now). I am reverting your change. COnsidering pop punk is cited... you're going to be hard pressed to find a valid argument to remove it.--Dr who1975 (talk) 03:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Hardcore Punk needs to be added too since there's many songs they have that are definitely harcore. Rancid 2000, the first two albums, and a few songs on each of the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.254.182 (talk) 03:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I have removed Pop Punk from Rancid's genre listing because of the poor quality of references. Upon looking at the references one was an opinion piece guide and the other was a simple music site that threw Rancid into a large group of random genre and sub genres, most likely used to increase the bands hit activity on the site. These are poor references for justifying the addition of Pop Punk. Rancid is a know for its Punk Rock, Ska Punk, and early Street Punk sound, not its Pop Punk sound which it contains little to no traces of. On of the references listed Time Bomb as a pop punk song. This shows that the author and or site simply broadened definitions to fit the article. Time Bomb is a simple Ska Punk song and nothing more. The bands genres should stay as the listed three Punk Rock, Ska Punk, and Street Punk. If Pop Punk are added to Rancid's genres then so could Reggae, Dance Hall, Acoustic along with a long line of other genres these are simply things they have done and does not represent their sound as a whole. The poor referencing is not a liable excuse for the addition of a genre. I do not agree with a Hardcore Punk label however either and feel Street Punk covers what ever harder songs Rancid does including those on Rancid's 2000 album.--Rapscallion4 (talk) 06:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hellcat[edit]

I thought that only Indestructible was released under Hellcat records while all other albums were released under Epitaph. On Rancid (skull cover) wiki site the label is listed as Epitaph. Can someone check this out? Likthem 22:55, 02 March 2007 (UTC)

-Life Won't Wait was the last album to feature Epitaph on the CD case/Disc, from then on Hellcat is used. Therefore Rancid (2000) and Indestructible are both marked Hellcat.

2006 and Later[edit]

I removed the comment about selling out in reference to their recording songs with Good Charlotte and Kelly Osbourne. Regardless of our personal feelings on occurrences such as this, this is a violation of NPOV. Stick to the facts.

Also, sources need to be cited on the reasons as to why Frederiksen collapsed on stage in August 2006. As of yet, I found nothing that positively asserted that drugs were related to it, so I've tagged those lines with citations needed, and I will remove those if no one is able to prove that assertion. Rekrdskratcher 05:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

new rancid project?[edit]

  • Is this just made up? i've never heard of this and not even the official website describes anything about it.--Worthlessboy1420 00:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I haven't heard anything about this either. I asked an Indonesian punk from the band "The Radio" and he said that he had heard nothing of the sort either. He heard a rumour that Rancid will be opening a skatepark in Bali soon though. I stress the word rumour. Please excuse me if I did this wrong- I am a newbie on wikipedia. Qld1977 (Qld1977 11:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

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Why does everyone earase Third Save Ska when I puy it under genres even though Let's Go was Third Wave Ska?


Let's Go doesn't have any ska at all, so that doesn't really make sense.151.71.219.205 13:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

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lung cancer - link dead[edit]

the link to [[1]] seems to be dead. if it stays that way, it should be removed. --Autoplombe 02:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


Adding OI! As A Genre?[edit]

They say it alot in they music...Oi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.170.228 (talkcontribs)

Saying "Oi!" doesn't make a band Oi! though. The Clash said "Oi!" a bit too. Rancid have some of the elements of Oi! that The Clash took on later in their career, but neither are Oi! bands. ~ Switch () 07:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

They have many songs that are Oi! or street punk. The self-titled album has a lot of ska, but many Oi! elements —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.219.44.2 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Street punk is already listed.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Rancid experiments in so many genres, but playing some clearly Oi! influenced songs doesn't make them an Oi! band in my opinion. They also did a rockabilly song "Devil's Dance," but they're not considered a rockabilly band. Same principle.--originalskankster76.23.248.238 (talk) 02:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

IPA[edit]

Is the pronunciation really needed? Isn't it the same as the word rancid? 69.12.143.197 01:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, I'm gonna remove it.Hoponpop69 18:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If you agree a source listing Rancid as alternative pop is a bad source...[edit]

Please speak out here [2]. Lots of people are listing this site as a source for various articles, but time and time again it gives invalid information. Hoponpop69 18:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A larger conversation on this has opened up here.[3] Please weigh in to make sure wikipedia does not get filled with false information.Hoponpop69 03:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Saying that Rancid is Alternative (or any type of) Pop is like saying that the Sex Pistols were jazz. --Revilal90 (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

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It's Not Dead[edit]

I'm not sure if this is vandalism, but someone called the band's upcoming album It's Not Dead. Whoever added this title for the new album should note that it's not confirmed by the band, their management, or their label. Alex (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

One Way to Die[edit]

Why do people keep adding this title to the their upcoming album? There is still no official title confirmed for it yet. To whoever's been adding that title, just wait there's an official statement from the band, their management, or their record company. Alex (talk) 05:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

IMPORTANT (please read)[edit]

Being a new user, I may not know much about vandalism, but there is something I do know: Somebody has been writing false information in many articles, one of them being this one. I think we should lock all those articles.E-Pro 264 (talkcontribs) 22:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Rancid: Pop-Punk?[edit]

27.12.08 Jack Lewis

I think Pop Punk should not be listed as one of Rancid's music genres because...

The Calafornian punk bands Rancid, The Offspring and Green-Day were credited with popularising punk music in America. The Offspring and Green-Day started off their music careers producing decent punk music. After a while Offspring and Green-Day signed off their record labels and began to produce more 'Pop-Punk' music, with slower songs and singers who could actually sing. They began to play very large venues charging an arm and a leg for tickets. Rancid are the only band of the three who stayed doing what they have always done, producing punk music and playing reasonably fast and angry songs to a couple of hundred fans who spent £15 on a ticket and £10 if that for a T-shirt. I cannot see any elements of Rancid that are at all 'pop'.

Please consider changing this and if not please let me know your reasons for listing Pop Punk as a genre of Rancid. I don't know why I feel so strongly about this and bothered to write this. anyway, it's an otherwise wicked article.

Thanks Jack Lewis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.245.214 (talk) 17:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I think here and in the debate further up on this page, the problem is that there are two ways of defining "pop-punk". The first is purely as a musical genre; specifically, one that combines elements of both the "pop" and "punk" musical genres (ok, i will admit that i am stating the obvious there). But the expression "pop-punk" has taken on another, normally derogatory, meaning, among some fans of punk music. This is normally related to concepts such as "selling out" - which is hard to define exactly, but normally suggests a band has taken on a more radio-friendly sound, with the implication that they have done so to sell more records and make more money (and, therefore, have lost sight of an often nebulous ideal of punk, which is usually related to "doing your own thing" and not doing the bidding of, for want of an expression that isn't a horrible cliche, "The Man").

One might argue that both definitions could be applied to Rancid - personally, I belive they have at least experimented with the pop-punk sound in some songs. And in terms of "selling out", Rancid, I feel, sit in the middle. When compared to bands such as Sum 41 or Good Charlotte, Rancid appear to be closer to this ideal of punk, with the "do it yourself" attitude of being signed to their own record label. However, as mentioned elsewhere on this talk page, doing a deal with Warner Brothers for promotion of Indestructible, would, to my mind at least, damage their punk credentials, and to fans of hardcore bands (the definition of hardcore/hardcore punk and its applicability to Rancid is a whole further debate that I wont get into here) such as Fugazi, who stick almost religiously to the "do it yourself" ideal, Rancid in terms of "selling out" would be essentially equal to any given pop act signed to a major label. Likewise, another criticism often levelled at Rancid is that they unrepentantly copy The Clash - a very "un-punk" thing to do.

The definitions are further complicated by the fact that many music critics, at least here in the UK, use "punk" as a label to refer to any act perceived to embody the "do it yourself" attitude, regardless of wether or not they perform the fast, uncomplicated and often short guitar based songs that fit the common perception of what "punk" bands do.

My point is that "pop-punk" has become a value-laden expression for many "punk" fans, and many would argue against its use to describe Rancid because they wish to avoid these negative connotations, and thus lose face amongst their peers for liking a band that are, or have become, "sell-outs". Personally, i feel some of the comments on this page have been affected significantly by this mindset. However, although I have probably made my own feelings on the subject clear in the way I have worded my arguments, i ultimately believe the definition of "punk" is far beyond the scope of this article, and so the use of the "pop-punk" label should not rely on wether or not a majority of people think they are "sell-outs", but instead should be purely musical: If "pop-punk" is an applicable describer for a significant number of Rancid songs, the article should include the label.

Anyway, I'm off to go tell my friends how cool i am--81.86.153.161 (talk) 20:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Bottom line... allmusic has them listed as punk-pop/pop-punk... it is a valid source. citations count on wikipedia.--Dr who1975 (talk) 00:40, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

BTW... have any of you actually read the Pop Punk page on wikipedia? Rancid's mentioned in the first 3 paragraphs.--Dr who1975 (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

No they're not. So clearly you haven't read the Pop Punk page. Nice try though. -originalskankster-76.23.248.238 (talk) 04:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Allmusic never had a valid point in punk rock. They just don't know how to make the difference between 2 punk rock genres. Because they don't care that much about it. Rancid is not pop punk.--188.27.126.97 (talk) 07:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

New Orleans[edit]

Rancid talks way too much about New Orleans, but all four members are from the East Bay. Any mentioning of why this is? --75.183.7.184 (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

New Orleans is a city that loves live music. Most musicians report being at home in this city, like a paradise. It's no wonder a band that tours as much as rancid loves this place. Countless musicians have sung about New Orleans that weren't from there, The Doors, Bob Dylan... Christmasjones25 (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Alternative Rock?[edit]

I don't see any aspects of Alternative Rock (as it has become known as) in Rancid. I understand that Alternative is an umbrella term for bands that don't fit into popular genres, but that's what we call them punk for. They have a genre. I personally think of those overplayed 80's/90's bands such as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dinosaur Jr., and Jane's Addiction. Wikipedia defines Alternative as "a genre of rock music that emerged in the 1980s and became widely popular in the 1990s. Alternative rock consists of various subgenres that have emerged from the independent music scene since the 1980s, such as grunge, Britpop, gothic rock, and indie pop." I also understand that the next sentence mentions coming from punk, but Rancid has stayed clear of the standard and (In my own opinion, don't freak out) quite frankly boring alternative rock genre. So I personally think removing Alternative Rock from their genre list would be appropriate. -originalskankster-76.23.248.238 (talk) 04:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree.--Revilal90 (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Genre[edit]

Skate punk? Street punk? Pop punk?Huh? Ițm pretty sure that Rancid aren′t these genres! Can anyone give me an example of Rancid skate punk songs? I think not. Oh, and by the way, Ska-core should be added.--212.71.91.63 (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Rancid's drums when Brett Reed was playing were pretty heavily influenced by skate punk. Rancid 5 shows a few good examples of street punk. And unfortunately, Indestructible had some pop punk stuff. Ska Punk is up there, which is more accurate than Ska-core because Rancid didn't do much with ska along with hardcore punk. -originalskankster-76.23.248.238 (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes they did! Rancid (2000) is a good example of a ska-core album!--188.26.49.213 (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't hear much ska on Rancid 5. -originalskankster-76.23.248.238 (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm..I think "Rwanda" is ska-core.--Revilal90 (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I definitely wouldn't consider Rwanda to be ska-core. It sounds like a typical Rancid hardcore/street punk song. There isn't really anything in that song that's ska. -originalskankster-76.23.248.238 (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Let me go is definetely skacore,like many other songs in Rancid 2000.And just because Maxwell murder has skate punk influences that doesn't make the band skate punk.--Revilal90 (talk) 08:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think ska-core when I hear Let Me Go. I really don't hear any ska elements in that song. And to me, Brett Reed's drums are clearly skate punk influenced on a majority of their songs, and it's a pretty important aspect to their sound. While you may only think that out of their entire collection of songs, only Maxwell Murder sounds like skate punk, I hear it in much more. I'm not saying they're a skate punk band, I'm only inferring that skate punk would be a better genre choice to have in there than ska-core.--originalskankster76.23.248.238 (talk) 02:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Billie Joe Armstrong[edit]

I think he should be added as a guest member. He co-wrote Radio, he played guitar in the "radio radio radio" Ep (and the song Radio in Let's Go), and as Tim Armstrong said, he sometimes helps the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revilal90 (talkcontribs) 16:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't see a point in that. Buju Banton has worked with Rancid, but he wouldn't be a guest member. Same thing with Doc Israel. Billie Joe isn't consistently playing with the band, so I don't consider him a guest member.-originalskankster-76.23.248.238 (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Skacore?[edit]

How are Rancid skacore?, i think this should be removed from their genres for two reasons.
1. I don't really see how Rancid are skacore.
2. Ska punk's already listed, and skacore just redirects to ska punk.
--Chickenguy12 (talk) 05:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

So what's the point? Make an article for Ska-core if you don't like it. it redirects there because we don't have an article for it and ska-punk is the closest genre to it. But there's a difference between them. Rancid's self titled 2000 album is skacore, and a few songs in "..and out come the wolves" are.--188.27.126.97 (talk) 07:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, okay i guess i could make an article for it, sorry. --Chickenguy12 (talk) 23:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Best of Rancid[edit]

Nothing about their greatest hits album? Nothing either on their discography article.--188.27.126.97 (talk) 07:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The official Hellcat site, rancid site, epitaph site, itunes, amazon, billboard show no such album ever being released. Christmasjones25 (talk) 02:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

I think that the picture of the band should be changed to a picture with all the band members, unlike the one up right now that doesn't show Matt Freeman. --Chickenguy13 (talk) 11:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011[edit]

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--CactusBot (talk) 11:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

We should add[edit]

That they are the greatest punk band since the Ramones.

We should add[edit]

That they are the greatest punk band since the Ramones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.225.25.187 (talk) 06:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

No, we should not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva100 (talkcontribs) 23:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)