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Information on this page contradicts itself. Mostly the Initial release on the left states 2005, while the content under history states 1999... Not sure if this warrants a disputed flag.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.228.141 (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

What's the point of red flag linux? Is it just for better asian language/font support? 24.155.227.237 05:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

-- Probably just to put out a certain feel/environment that is felt to be comfortable or familiar to some Chinese user set. Note the parallels to NT.

How many langauges is this in? I see only Chinese and Japanese in the pictures. Is there an English version?

I find it somewhat curious that a Chinese operating system would default to Japanese. Are you sure that second screenshot is the "default" KDE setup, or has there been some mixup? --203.206.128.174 01:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

According to this, red flag only ships in Chinese and Spanish. http://apcmag.com/6051/the_stoush_over_linux_distributions_using_the_firefox_trademark I'm not sure we can trust that though. Bradkoch2007 20:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

speculation[edit]

Is there a source for this speculation? "Its name can be interpreted as a pun toward U.S.-based Red Hat Linux, coupled with a reference to the red flag of communism in China", if not it needs to be removed.--Crossmr 20:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, it seems pretty obvious to me. --Explodicle 15:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Red Flag "default screenshot?"[edit]

I couldn't help but to notice that the alleged "default desktop" screenshot is in Japanese. I find it difficult to believe that Japanese would be the default language. Snarfies 15:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Copied text?[edit]

"Red Flag Linux first appeared in August 1999, when it was created by the Institute of Software at the Chinese Academy of Sciences. Financial help came from government-owned ShangHai NewMargin Venture Capital. In March 2001, Bloomberg News reported that CCIDNET Investment, a VC arm of the Ministry of Information Industry, had become Red Flag's second largest shareholder."

The above seems to have been picked up from [1] or did they pick it from here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.15.227 (talk) 19:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Advert?[edit]

"Red Flag Linux Desktop 6.0 is intended to be a comprehensive desktop operating system and has some major improvements concerning installation, hardware, and multimedia support, as well as desktop configuration."

Improvements over what? This probably aludes to previous versions, but reads like a release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.63.210 (talk) 10:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

NPOV Dispute -- Internet Cafes[edit]

There is no need to put emphasis on the word "required" here; doing so implicitly exposes the author's critical view of this policy and does not add anything substantial to the article on this Linux distribution. Additionally, the final statement beginning "questions have been raised..." is an example of weasel words, and should not be included as-is in an article. Further the source that is quoted for that final statement is the submitter's commentary at the end of a Slashdot article submission, which is hardly a quality source.

These may be facts, yes, but the emphasis placed on them in this section makes this section more a criticism of this policy (and a biased one at that) rather than providing information about the Red Flag Linux distribution's use in internet cafes.

To improve this article, I suggest this section be reworded to denote that the government of Nanjing is requiring internet cafes to use the OS, as well as the cost of the support license for the machine. Further commentary shouldn't be part of this article, and perhaps should be moved elsewhere where it is clear that it is a criticism of the policy.

The wording about Radio Free Asia is definitely NPOV and should be changed or removed. If RFA is referred to as Propaganda, then Xinhua and the People's Daily need that same reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.90.127.191 (talk) 01:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Red Flag Co., Ltd.[edit]

it should be mentioned Ing this w (talk) 23:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

RFL promotion in China since MS blackout tactic[edit]

A couple of months ago Microsoft activated their embedded bot to sniff out illegal copies of their OS and put a warning onscreen. Harmless MS says. But there was a big uproar about an invasion of privacy illegal software or not. China's latest law that Internet Cafes must use authorized copies of MS is an administrative measure. She does not want to get involved in American efforts to quarrel with Chinese authorities about commercial piracy and enforcement of intellectual property rights. By migrating to Red Flag OS the need to pay MS royalties is removed. Even if this is only $1, with a lot more than 300 million Internet users in China, that's very big money flowing out of China if fully enforced. That's what MS is fighting for although MS knows that more than 90 percent of MS software in China will be pirated copies that they will never collect from. But MS refuses to price their product whereby Chinese users can afford to buy. The less than 10 percent it receives payment for is still a large amount. MS OS also provide a means for US espionage.

MS's onscreen warning is clear proof that that they can access any MS loaded computer anywhere in the world and that is a serious security concern. Signal traffic analysis is a very powerful espionage tool and provides specific computer systems targeting to extract intelligence from or to disable. Saddam's defense establishment couldn't use his computer systems because of this. At thta time there were many technical articles on the subject and France and China are two countries I remember as having forbidden high security computer communications and documents from using MS OS software.

China's large population will ensure that Red Flag will have mass support. China is the only entity that can provide the user base to rival MS and Bill Gates knows this. That is why he tolerates the high proportion of pirated software in China because if he forced payment the Chinese will migrate to their own operating system even if it is a clunker. LINUX came along that provides an excellent alternative platform and China can avoid reinventing the wheel. It's core is open software that anyone can write for (within LINUX committee guidelines). MS's shot across the bow with their onscreen warning is the final signal that the time has come for China to launch its Red Flag Linux version. Its installation in internet cafes will ensure that millions will become familiar with its characteristics and use it at home too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wagonsense (talkcontribs) 03:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I saw a Red Flag Linux cd (dvd?) for sale a few days ago (08 Feb 2009), at a computer store in the 华强北 (hua qiang bei) area of Shenzhen, and the price on it was 198 RMB, or about $30 USD. It appeared to have be nothing more than just the CD/DVD. No box, no manuals, nothing else that I saw (of course, it could have just been for display). I thought it was a little odd to see it so high priced, when you can buy pirated DVDs of movies for 5 RMB (about 75 cents USD) here. I also remember reading, years ago, where the Chinese government was supposed to be changing all government computers to Red Flag Linux, because of concerns about Microsoft having ultimate control over Windows. In response, Microsoft opened up some source code to the Chinese government, and allowed them to make some custom changes to Windows used in by government. Also Microsoft priced Windows so cheap for the government, they practically gave it away. This is all from memory, so it may not be 100% accurate, but that is how I remember it. Can anyone find a reference to that, because I feel it would be good information to include in the main article. -Dave in China 219.134.136.69 (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Technical details[edit]

Analysing the version of the shared libraries, it appears version 6 of RedFlag is based on Fedora Version 7 'Moonshine' and thus binary compatible to this version of Fedora. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.84.21.77 (talk) 06:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)