Talk:Red River Rebellion

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A new plan for RRR[edit]

Many of you who look at these things will have noticed that I've been doing quite a bit of work on bringing Louis Riel up to FAC readiness. As part of that effort, I naturally wrote quite a lot about the RRR. In fact, too much. So what I have done is to transfer most of that information here, and after finishing with RRR here, I will cut that section of Louis Riel back to a more appropriate size. I will attempt to preserve much of the information that was previously here at RRR, and will use much of it to develop the lead section for the now much-expanded article... So editors, don't fear, I will attempt to use as much of the extant text as possible. Some of it that appears to be gone for the moment is actually still there as html comments, to be resurrected later. Inevitably though, the article will be a bit of a mess for awhile, so please bear with me. Please also note that this is part of a longer term effort to bring Louis Riel, Red River Rebellion and North-West Rebellion all up to feature article standard.. your help with any part of this effort would be most appreciated. Regards Fawcett5 20:18, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You've been doing excellent work. The Riel article is superb, and I'm glad to hear you're rubbing it off on related articles! Thanks! --Alexwcovington (talk) 21:56, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Abandoned text[edit]

I found the following text contained in HTML comments at the end of the article. Someone who knows something about the subject should decide what to do with it. -- Beland 3 July 2005 04:04 (UTC)

The Métis, however, had already arranged their land according to the seigneurial system of their French ancestors that was also used in the French-majority Canadian province of Quebec. In many cases, government surveyors attempted to lay out land survey markers arbitrarily across existing farms and properties. Property maps of Manitoba to this day show the approximately 3.2 kilometres long seigneurial lots perpendicular to rivers, surrounded by the square townships lots of the Dominion Land Survey.
The Red River Settlement was centred on Fort Garry, now modern Winnipeg, which was then owned by the Hudson's Bay Company
It was Upper Fort Garry, actually. Lower Fort Garry is outside the city limits. But that sounds very interesting to put in. Disinclination 03:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

I've had it with the infantile uncivility rampant around here. Fawcett5, why did you remove text with the edit summary "rv vandal interpolation"? I merely corrected the spelling of "Michif-speaking". You should read up at Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Good faith, and Wikipedia:Vandalism before you go around calling people names. There are dozens of stupid revert wars going around because people can't behave with basic courtesy when talking to strangers. Furthermore, you are abusing the edit field by using it to make a Wikipedia:Personal attack instead of explaining your edit. If you'd just include a useful edit summary instead of a glib smart remark which is meaningless to me except for being an insult, we wouldn't have to waste time in this discussion. Michael Z. 2005-11-13 19:23 Z

Presumably he was referring to the anon who posted the mispelling before you corrected it. Maybe Fawcett doesn't know what Michif is (one may reasonably assume he thought the anon was trying to write "mischief"). Adam Bishop 20:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Fawcett5 responded with a gracious apology for the misunderstanding at User:Mzajac#Michif. I was a little overreacting, and all is forgiven. Michael Z. 2005-11-13 21:37 Z

Manitoba enters Confederation. When?[edit]

There is a bit confusion of when Manitoba entered Confederation. Another source tells me that it was actually july 15th, 1870 instead of the date given in the arcticle. I am trying to find out which one is which. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.114.132.60 (talkcontribs) date

The Mantioba Act was made on May 12th, 1870, for the creation of Manitoba. July 15th, they entered Confederation. The May 12th date is considered Manitoba's 'birthday', despite that, and this article I believe adheres to that. Disinclination 00:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

I have assessed this as B Class, although it requires in-line citations, and of high importance, as I do feel that this event plays a vital role in understanding Canada. Cheers, CP 05:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism[edit]

The section regarding Donald Smith is copied almost verbatim from the entry on Smith in the Dictionary of Canadian biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.164.188 (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

non-sentence[edit]

During the late 1860s the Red River Settlement and it was changing rapidly G. Robert Shiplett 15:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grshiplett (talkcontribs)

A Little Change for the Title[edit]

I Belive that the name of the page should be changed from Red River Rebellion to Red River Resistance. I have spoken with many Metis people, and all agree that it was a resistance. If you read into it, or interview a Metis person, you should find I am right. The Metis in Red River did not rebel, they were resisting the Canadian Government and the HBC making plans about forcing them off their land to make room for settlers without consulting them. Dictionary.com (not the best source) says a rebellion is open, organized, and armed resistance to one's government or ruler. While the resistance certainly was open and organized, but was completely peaceful. There was not one shot fired at any point, except for the execution. The definition of resistant better fits The RRR. Here it is: the act or power of resisting, opposing, or withstanding. The Metis were withstanding the blatant ignorance of their settlement by the Canadian Government. Please, change the name to be less offensive to the Metis People. Evan G. (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Since the provisional government ended up being recognized by the Canadian government, I don't see how any of its actions can be described as rebellion. Resistance is a better term, although perhaps POV. However it has a lot less POV than the current title. The Métis did resist, but I fail to see how they rebelled. There was a power vacuum, and they filled it.John FitzGerald (talk)