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Good article reassessment[edit]

I believe this article fails to meet criterion 2 of the Good Article criteria. I have asked for it to be reassessed at WP:GAR. --Agüeybaná 21:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The article has been delisted: the discussion is linked from the article history template above. Good luck improving the article. Geometry guy 20:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes you are right, This article have so true to it but not all, reggaeton was made popular by a Panamanian named Renato in 1983 but he was not the first to do so, in the 70's there was a Cuban that made this type of music. I am sorry that I don't remember his name right know, but Renato dos mention him in an interview wen he gave, and was asked if he was the first to make this type of music. I was there in 1983 when Renato got a cassette tape form a American G.I., on it there was a new form of music call Rap from the U.S.. We list sign to it and then Renato told me that he could do the same, that he could sing like that, the next day he played a reggae song that go like this " I am liven on a jet plane" then he started to sing " me marcho holle me mujer yo no se cuando a regresar" now that was his 1st song that was put on a cassette tape and sold to the buss drivers in Panama. A producer from Sonny heard the song and asked how was the signer? The buss driver did not know but he told him that Renato who sold him the tape. the day that Renato was to make his 1st demo he came to my house an asked me to go with him, that he wanted me to be part of it but that same day I was leaven to U.S.A. They call it reggaeton because we used reggae music to get the rhythm and beet. If you list sign to all the old school Reggaeton you would hear the reggae melody. That all for now. Eduardo, March,17 2013, Florida.

Objectionable[edit]

Using the word "objectionable" to describe explicit language is inappropriate, since it explicitly judges such language is something to be disapproved of. The word is used like that several places in the text.

192.38.5.162 01:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Even though the regular studio version of Barrio Fino was not labeled explicit.[edit]

That's because Barrio Fino was edited by default. There was no need for the explicit lyrics label. Listen to "Golpe de Estado ft Tommy Viera" (track 18). Around 25 seconds in Tommy Viera says "Esta pendejá termina en rifles y comenzó con palos." The word "pendejá" is covered up with a sound effect. Note however that the album itself does not state that it is censored. --Pasajero (talk) 16:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Dem Bow[edit]

I found a sample of the "Dem Bow" instrumental rhythm here, and I was wondering if it can be incorporated into the article, somehow. Blackjays1 (talk) 09:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I just added it in the 'History' section. Blackjays1 (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

My name is ragga Don and i'm a follower of dancehall reggae music since the 70's, and reggaeton from panama (they call it spanish reggae)

First of all let me give you the true story of the "dem bow" instrumental. and this is something that puerto ricans and some panamanians don't know at all.

Wikipedia that rhythum you guys have posted as dem bow mp3 sample, in reality is not called "dem bow". its called originally "Pocomanjam" produced by jamaicans Bobby Digital and Steely and Cleavie in 1990. and jamaican artist like Cutty Ranks, Gregory Peck, Shabba Ranks and others used that riddim to record their songs; and Shabba ranks who at the time was the king of the dancehall recorded the song "dem bow" in that rhythum.

The word "Dem bow" comes from the jamaican language patois. and it describes people commiting fellatio. especially people of the same sex. thats why Shabba ranks recorded the song degrading those of the same sex commiting those acts.

Now the rhythum that the latin people from Puerto rico called "dem bow" originally is called "Pounder" which was produced by 2 producers in NYC. One panamanian and one jamaican. Ramon Bustamante and Dennis Halliburton known as Dennis the Menace who has worked in the past with panamanian artist like Killa Ranks and El General. Jamaican Reggae/dancehall artist Sleepy Wonder and Bobo General recorded the song "Pounder" and the riddim became known as Pounder. and panamanian artist Nando Boom recorded on that riddim "Pension" and "Dem bow" in that riddim. Thats how puerto ricans got the name "dem bow" when they heard it for the first time from the panamanian songs especially from Nando Boom. That rhytum in Panama is known as "Pounder". some of them call it dem bow also but for those who know about this real good in reality is called "Pounder".

When the reggaeton from Panama during the early 90's was introduced to the mainstream thanks to El General and Nando Boom. Puerto rican producers DJ Negro and Playero went to Panama during a presentation of puerto rican rapper Lisa M and they ask panamanian producer Ramon Bustamante for those rhythums and they took it to the island and used it for their series The Noise and Playero combining it with hip hop sounds. the rhythum that you hear nowadays is the "Pounder" rhythum but was modified by the puerto ricans and have used some samplings from other old school dancehall rhythums like "Fever Pitch". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.8.89.2 (talk) 18:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Mainstream Popularity[edit]

I widely dissagree with it´s popularity, Mainstream on latin america? Yes, worldwide? Bah, pure blalant lies, i´m from venezuela, and reggaetón has not extended through all south america, considering the fact many latin rock musicians are still prolipherant in this continent, Such as, Maná, Carlos Santana, and Carajo, and even Candy_66

My opinion? i widely dissagree with that statement, it just gives a false idea that Reggaeton is even close to "Dominating" the world´s music market.

- Sincerely, Juan Planas, greetings from Venezuela.

I have never been to Venezuela, so I don't know what it's like in your country, but the genre seems popular "underground" in my country (The Netherlands). Even though the genre is mostly absent from the official charts, I very often hear cars driving by playing reggaeton and I know plenty people who listen to it frequently. Charts are a load of bollox anyway, they only contain what the big record companies want them to contain, so I don't take them very seriously. Just because you don't hear it in your environment doesn't mean it isn't there. 83.98.245.68 (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

English Reggaeton[edit]

Why does it say "The music is also combined with rapping or singing in Spanish, English or 'Spanglish'."? Name me one reggaeton track entirely in english? I think this should be removed as Reggaeton is never in english, and the closest it does come to being in english is Spanglish which is already stated. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 05:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Please only write constructive critisims in this discussion. Only this way will the Reggaeton page improve. Thank You - Puertomeno


Just one? Ok, here goes: R Kelly ft Wisin & Yandel - Burn It Up.

Pretty well known track if you ask me. There's probly a lot more... Like Daddy Yankee, he made several tracks with well known American artists like Snoop Dogg, Fergie, Akon and Will.I.Am, who do their piece in English. Heck, I even got reggaeton in Dutch (K-liber4life, Cybertracks, Immo, etc), so why not English? :P 83.98.245.68 (talk) 21:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Additions[edit]

Removing some recent additions. First involves a ref which is simply a mirror of the older version of this wikipedia page, its all Wiki content. The second is a reference to a beat style that can't even be found anywhere on the web. One entire section is completely copyvio from: news.nacla.org/2007/12/17/reggaeton-nation/ and the completion of that section is from a POV piece on a non-authority site. The dembow beats comment are redundant, it reiterates points already established. The new comments on reggaeton in the U.S. are a mix of original research and a poorly worded interpretation of the Phoenix article. The DY show was pulled by ABC. A good bit of content added is also POV but slipped in under the guise of being referenced, which it isn't. The rest removed is blatantly copyvio.

Before adding new content, make sure that 1. It's not simply copied and pasted from another source, 2. Everything added can be completely found in the reference it precedes, 3. It's objective and not opinion. 68.155.97.188 (talk) 04:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Revisions[edit]

To prevent pointless edit warring as part of a university's ongoing "class project", a few points need to be established again.

1. You can't copy and paste text from another source, you can't lift sections of a book or newspaper verbatim, for copyright reasons.

2. You can't use terms like "many people think" or "some people" without clarifying who those people are with a quality reference that clearly addresses the subject matter.

3. If you add something unreferenced, expect it to be removed if it's questionable. There are way too many personal observations being added with nothing to back it up.

4. Google is your friend. Make sure that you're not adding something that's so obscure that it isn't fluff for the wiki entry.

The following is a breakdown of the most recent edits to the page. The "Panamanians claiming reggaeton as their own," and "without them it wouldn't have caught on." While I agree with the latter, it's still inarguably Point Of View, and it doesn't belong unless its properly referenced. Someone can just as easily argue that without Puerto Rico, Salsa wouldn't have caught on, although its origins are in Cuba. The reference to Reggaeton widening when PR and Cuban styles merged is not only unreferenceable, its wrong. Reggaeton wasn't even popular in Cuba until years after it started picking up steam in the U.S. The Nando Boom reference was unused because he was only popular in Panama, whereas El General's album (with Son Bow) was a Latin-American smash. This is why many publications concede that El General was responsible for the popularity of the dem bow beat amongst Latinos, furthermore that section is referenced with a link relating to his album, there are no references related to Nando Boom's music. I removed the sections that use a reference to a publication that doesn't even exist yet (a "forthcoming" work, that's not a property reference. I removed some of the copyvio content that was taken verbatim from various sources. I removed the France section because it is a link to a French translation of an old version of the Reggaeton wiki. It's a mirror site with a few POV comments added in, its not a proper reference. The japoñol section was removed because it's incredibly obscure. The only reason why it even has any listings on Google is because the label Los Kalibres is on sent out a press release, which any site or music blog with an RSS feed picked up on. One group mixing Spanish and Japanese does not constitute an entire new movement, otherwise we'll have to list every country in the world that has at least one group performing native music to a reggaeton beat. Can you name one other group from Japan besides Los Kalibres doing reggaeton?

As a final note, its irrelevant if an editor considers themselves an authority on a subject because someone happened to use their article as one reference out of 20 listed. I've written most of this article over the years, I'm an authority on reggaeton, but I don't include what I can't properly back up with references. Wikipedia is not a place for POV additions. That includes slipping POV comments amongst already referenced ones, to make it seem like they're referenced. Stick to what you can reference, and avoid narcissistic referencing when possible. 68.155.97.188 (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


Ongoing Revisions[edit]

The section on women in reggaeton is both copyvio and partially POV (encylcopedias don't use all caps for emphasis). It would be a plus to have a section for this in the wiki, but someone is constantly copy-pasting content form copyrighted works.

The section on reggaeton in Cuba is improperly referenced. A whole paragraph with POV overtones will be followed with a reference, but a quick check shows that the reference doesn't support the actual content added. We're also seeing ongoing issues with "forthcoming" work being used as a reference, which isn't allowed. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 08:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


unsourced[edit]

Reggaeton lacks melody nor harmony:

See definition from Cambridge Dictionary:

harmony:a pleasant musical sound made by different notes being played or sung at the same time; first of all, in reggaeton the sounds are not compounded: only a single note (singer), and the beat are simultaneous. The pleasentness is arguable too; but this is indeed a personal feeling.

Melody :An arrangement of single tones in a meaningful sequence; reggaeton tracks lack musical phrases (like, for example rock music has in bridges, repeated strings of chords joining parts of the song).

Lyrics&sexism In Spain, in the Canary Island the Instituto Canario de la Mujer (a council advocate for women´s rights) complained to the TV Network Telecinco about airing reggaeton videos, for its sexism; in Puerto Rico, the Comisión Nacional de Espectáculos Públicos y Radiofonía also forbid a video [[1]]. If you listen to "gasolina", for example (and get to understand the broken Spanish), it is clear that it´s has a implicit sexism. And the videos: halfnude women alongside fat chaps "singing" Racism In Spain, there have been quarrells between Spaniards and Latin gangs, associated with this music [[2]]. --Xareu bs (talk) 09:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The "lacks melody or harmony" comments are completely absurd. That's all a matter of opinion.
It´s not a matter of opinion. These are musical concepts well defined; the structure of reggaeton doesn´t suit them (if so, read the respective articles in wikipedia)--Xareu bs (talk) 12:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Do some reggaeton songs contain misogynistic lyrics? Yes, but that's why references from established news sources are needed if you plan on adding something like that. But to generalize reggaeton videos as "halfnude women alongside fat chaps singing" demonstrates how little you know about the genre (try watching a video by La Sista, or "Angelito" by Don Omar).
Finally, as far as xenophobia in Spain, all the article you posted a link to validates is that xenofobia EXISTS in Spain (as it does in many countries). It doesn't mention reggaeton, I'd be amazed if you can find a single reference on the entire web that supports that reggaeton causes a rift between Spaniards and non-Spanish. And even then, it's probably not noteworthy enough to mention in this article. Your edits are point of view, even the reasons you give when you made the edits (look in a Spanish club, etc) is based on opinion and personal experience. Wikipedia is based on what we can prove. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 09:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
if you read the bottom line of the page, you´ll see the comment by people involved in the raw about reggaeton as a trigger for this affair; there are many blogs showing this attitude towards this music [[3]] (I am not saying that´s good, only that´s a fact there is this attitude).--Xareu bs (talk) 12:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Since you felt the need to make a 4th revision before I could even type a response on the talk page, I've reported you to Wikipedia admins for violating 3RR. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 09:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


to the anonymous vandal[edit]

I´m fed up with your keeping saying I´m not sourcing. Please, give me an adress to send you a method of learning how to read. I´ve quoted: lyrics from actual and representative tunes to show it´s sexist. What do you want me to quote, the lyrics of all reggaeton songs?. By the way, I´ve used the two songs which are cited by this article as very popular in Spain,not cherry picking at all
complains by an official bureu in Spain; see [[4]]
for the harmony and melody issues, consult their deffinition in the Wikipedia. The three times beat with the loud voices (defined in this article) do not meet those characteristics
for more about sexism, consult the Spanish Wikipedia
, with more concerns (Honduras and Puerto Rico) --Xareu bs (talk) 14:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


PINK![edit]

When did the infobox change to the colour pink?! And why? TeePee-20.7 (talk) 13:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

Hi. I notice that this page has been moved back to the title Reggaetón from the unaccented title Reggaeton. I don't see any discussion of this recent move, and I wonder whether it was made with knowledge of the previous extensive discussion about the title. Most of it can be found at Talk:Reggaeton/Archive 1. Due to the agreement that was previously arrived at, I'm inclined to suggest that this page move back to the title without diacritics. Opinions? -GTBacchus(talk) 03:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The article should be reverted back to it's original title, without the accent. Looks like someone changed it without discussing it first.74.228.158.68 (talk) 22:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Move 'Yes check.svg reverted'. If anyone wants to change the title, feel free to start a new discussion (WP:CCC). --Agüeybaná 23:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)



Origins[edit]

Reggaeton originated from Panama, so please do not change it to Puerto Rico. - Puertomeno

In reality Reggaeton is basically Spanish Dancehall or Latin Dancehall. Panamanians call it Spanish Reggae or La Plena but in reality is Spanish dancehall. that beat that you guys hear from todays reggaeton its one of those old school beat of the early 90's BUT was modified later by puerto ricans.

Both Panama and Puerto rico got their own style; Panamanians don't just use one repetitive rhythum for every song. they are use many diferent rhythums for their own productions.

Some people say that without the "dem bow" beat it is no longer reggaeton. the genre is more than just one beat. and they producers and artist who have been in the game for so many years need to show that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.8.89.2 (talk) 19:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

All of you guys are wrong, reggaeton is no more spanish dancehall than hip hop is disco , panama does spanish reggae with some crossover to reggaeton, but puerto rico is where most of reggaeton originates, and all reggaeton have something 2 do w dembow , and thats never gonna change unless by evolution, plz keep that in mind, every genre has certain requirements, and reggaeton is a percussion based genre, its a genre where no matter what percussion is very often gonna have the first and last word, and the percusion is dem bow —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Perso - The Original (talkcontribs) 23:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

No PERSO EL ORIGINAL YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS WRONG. THAT DEM BOW BEAT (ORIGINALLY CALLED "POUNDER")IS FROM DANCEHALL REGGAE. AND IT WAS CREATED BY DENNIS HALIBURTON AND RAMON BUSTAMANTE IN NEW YORK CITY IN 1991. THE BEAT FROM SHABBA RANKS SONG "DEM BOW" IS NOT AND AGAIN IS NOT CALLED DEM BOW; ITS CALLED "POCOMANJAM" CREATED BY BOBBY DIGITAL EITH STEELY AND CLEAVIE IN 1990. AND PUERTO RICANS GOT THE BEAT FROM PANAMANIAN SONGS AND USED IT AS IS DURING THE ERA OF THE NOISE AND PLAYERO AND LATER THEY MODIFIED IT. PUERTO CONVERTED THE BEAT OF DEM BOW AS A PERCUSSION. THE DEM BOW BEAT (ORIGINALLY POUNDER BEAT)COMES FROM DANCEHALL REGGAE. CHECK ON YOUTUBE AND TYPE "PENSION-RECUERDOS DE PANAMA" THE SONG PENSION IS FROM NANDO BOOM.

AND PANAMA THEY CALL IT SPANISH REGGAE BUT IN REALITY IS SPANISH DANCEHALL. AND WHAT PUERTO RICANS DID DURING UNDERGROUND IS ALSO SPANISH DANCEHALL WITH HIP HOP INFLUENCE. AND ADDED MORE LATIN SOUNDS TO IT USING THE DEM BOW BEAT (POUNDER BEAT) AS THE MAIN BASE FOR THEIR PRODUCTIONS.

AND PUERTO RICO DID NOT ORIGINATED REGGAETON. JUST BEACAUSE THEY PUT THEY "TON" AT THE END DOESN'T MEAN SWAT. REGGAETON IS THE SON OF DANCEHALL REGGAE. AND PUERTO RICO LEARN THEIR STUFF AFTER HEARING AND WATCHING THE PANAMANIANS. YOU LIKE ANY BORICUA ARE TRYING TO CATEGORIZE IT COMPLETELY DIFERENT FROM REGGAE AND DANCEHALL. AND ALL PUERTO RICO DID WAS TO ADD MORE LATIN FLAVOR ON IT. THATS ALL. AND THANKS TO PUERTO RICIO THE GENRE HAS TURNED IN MONOTOMY.

PUERTO RICO DID NOT CREATED THE DEM BOW BEAT GET IN YOUR HEAD. AND IF YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH SEND ME AN E-MAIL AND LET ME GIVE YOU SOME EDUCATION. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donone10 (talkcontribs) 18:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Please do not shout. Did God not give you a Shift key? —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussions[edit]

Please only write constructive critisisms in this duscussion. Only this way will the Reggaeton page improve. Thank You - Puertomeno —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puertomeno (talkcontribs) 21:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

i am extremely disappointed[edit]

where is vico c and el general(the first to start the movement) these guys are the true roots of reggaeton... you guys know nothing of this movement... there was a time when this article had some substance, now is worthless....

From ragga don

People from the around the world think that is started with El General in the early 90's. As a panamanian who has been listening to this music since the 80's and reggae and dancehall since the 70's; Panama did not start with El General. it started with with a local panamanian artist name Renato in 1984. and El General took it and introduced it outside of Panama to the latin audience and caribbean audience and in the USA in the early 90's along with Nando Boom.

Vico-C has always been a spanish hip hop artist. and he himself said that he started to know about this movement from the panamanians and his first reggae song he recorded i believe was in the early 90's titled "Bomba para fincar".

Lisa M in 1991 recorded JaricanJive combining spanish rap with reggae; she "borrowed" a lyrical line from legendary Dancehall/reggae artist King Yellowman's song called "Operation Radication".

By ragga don —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.8.89.2 (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

This article should be semi-protected from vandals. It appears that every time a change is made to the article, that change is always vandalism or a clean-up of vandalism. Blackjays1 (talk) 19:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I just added this to the reggaeton page[edit]

I just added this to the reggaeton page: 2007/08 Emergence of Modern Reggaeton

By the end of 2006, it seemed like Reggaeton was loosing its once unstopable momentum. Towards the middle of 2007, producers started working on making a new sound for Reggaeton, an alternative to different Dembow sounds that have already existed. The final result was the "Electro Dembow" or the "Techbow". It's created by giving a typical "Dembow" a strong doze of Techno or House beat (Kicks,Claps,and Hihats with the same pattern heard in a Techno Beat). One of the earliest examples of "Techbow" is the song Quitarte To' from Tego Calderon's El Abayarde Contraataca;Tony Dize' Single,"Permitame" is also a very pop influenced Reggaeton song with "Techbow". Some other examples of Reggaeton songs with "Techbow" are Aprovechalo, Imaginate, Te hice Mujer, Sexy Movimiento and Porque me tratas asi?, all from Los Extraterrestres by Wisin & Yandel, also Mala by Jadiel, Que tengo que hacer by Daddy Yankee and Angel y Khriz single "Na de Na". It should be noted that this would be the first time that the Dembow has been altered so drastically within the genre ever since the begining of the Reggaeton.

The only thing wrong with that is that producers dont get together and decide to change or add rhythms. There is no such thing as 'Techbow.' Reggaeton is a expression and many artists don't care about it's popularity worldwide. Most reggaeton artists dont tour outside of latin america. Reggaeton just simply evolves just like any other genre and it has nothing to do with the public's perception or critisisms or it. As long as people like reggaeton in Puerto Rico, that's all that matters to most of the genre's artists.

ok so the problem with articles about reggaeton is, since its such a young genre in mainstream, it hasnt been researched that much not even to a full extent, so there are very little articles that are written and are informative about this genre, so please keep in mind, these are all new material researched by professsionals who r just starting to dig into reggaeton —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Perso - The Original (talkcontribs) 03:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

It's great that you're enthusiastic, but without references there's no way to know that you aren't just making it up; or that the above is something popular in your neighbourhood, but nowhere else. It's not essential that Wikipedia's article on reggaeton is right up with the bleeding edge, especially given the way that dance crazes come and go in a single season (although it's amusing to read the LA Times saying that reggaeton is old-hat back in 2006, which smacks of the archetypal circa-1983 NME "Rapping Music: It's just talking, innit?"-type article). -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit war[edit]

To those of you who are now engaged in reverting each other's changes: could you please cease all editing activity and resolve your differences here before continuing? If necessary, you can solicit a third opinion and, if necessary proceed from there. And please carry out discussions in a civil manner.

If this activity continues I'll ask to have the page protected. —Largo Plazo (talk) 16:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for attending the matter at hand, the IP computer is reverting my contributions based on sole prejudice , my new information is confirmed by various sources that i will mention at the end of this page, Reggaeton has evolved from Spanish dancehall,also known as reggae en espanol, even though the song dem bow is from jamaican dancehall and has come to define reggaeton, it wasnt until panamian spanish reggae became popular in puerto rico, that opened the door for reggaeton, therefore reggaeton is a descendant of spanish reggae a.k.a Reggae en espanol, 69.134.122.214 (talk) 18:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Criticism[edit]

I think, that there's something missing, in this article, and by that I mean a Criticism section, reggaeton, is a controversial genre, due to it's lyrics, topics, and the music itself, a lot of people extremely dislikes this genre, and that's an important piece of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.25.32.128 (talkcontribs) 0:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

There is criticism sprinkled throughout the article rather than in a section; otherwise that'd be overly POV. See WP:CRITICISM. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the whole idea of wikipedia to be objective? Therefor there should not be such a thing as "criticism sprinkled throughout the article", but rather a factual representation, and any criticism moved to a seperate section. But that's just my POV... 83.98.245.68 (talk) 21:57, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Accents[edit]

Two people have reverted my removal of accents on "reggaeton". My reasons for removing them (except where part of a title or name) were:

  • it was inconsistent with the article's title;
  • it was inconsistent within the article;
  • English usually doesn't keep accents from other languages in borrowed words, especially not ones that indicate stress.

The second person to revert my changes mentioned consensus on this Talk page to use accents, but in fact the only mention of accents on the Talk page above is in a case where someone had moved the article to a title with the accent, and it was then moved back here. —Largo Plazo (talk) 01:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

A wp:3PO was requested, but this is not a disagreement between two editors. Please use RFC or post a request at the relevant Wiki-project. NJGW (talk) 01:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

"Rapping" vs. "singing"[edit]

I find this article to be very informative, but there is a clear mistake, reiterated twice: "...[reggaeton] is rapped instead of being sung... [most reggaeton singers] recite their lyrics rap-fashion rather than sing it melodically." Aside from occasional rapped passages, and several songs of Tego, it is obvious that most reggaeton is sung, even if the melodies may be relatively simple. (Hence, for example, the vocals of any hit song, like "Pobre Diabla", have a tune, which could be hummed or played on the piano.) This feature links reggaeton to dancehall reggae, and distinguishes it from rap (including Latin rap). Dancehall is also sung melodically, although due to the relatively simple and repetitive nature of the melodies, dancehall deejays are typically regarded as different from "singers" (e.g., Gregory Isaacs, Bob Marley); hence, perhaps, the confusion, which has extended into this otherwise enlightening article.

Steelhead522 (talk) 22:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Steelhead522

Edit war number 2,[edit]

I have been going back and forth editing and reediting with this user up number known as 74.248.93.105 who reverts back my edits, It should be noted that my additions are all verifiable since they are all sourced in the latest academic book printed by duke university press called "reggaeton" written by raquel rivera (Researcher at the Center for Puerto Rican Studies) and wayne marshall(an established ethnomusicalogist in carribean urban music). The other party obviously comes with a certain agenda and his reverts seem to be his POV (69.134.202.84 (talk) 06:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC))

New Articles added[edit]

I thought i should bring to your attention i just recently added the articles "Reggaeton Fever shakes cuba" and "Dembow".I would gladly discuss any input or ideas regarding (LaPeliculaViviente (talk) 19:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)).

Colour for Reggaeton infobox[edit]

At the moment the colour used for Reggaeton articles and its sub-genres is red. Is the genre so unique that it should be considered completely seperate from reggae (green) and hip hop (navyblue)? Before you answer, please consider this is the context of Wikipedia as a whole, not just because you love Reggaeton. As it happens red is free as a colour at the moment and I am certainly not against its use, but only if this helps readers, by indicating something very different from the two major genres of music from which it was hybrydized. It would help if you could comment here rather than on this talkpage. Where I have repeated this statement.--SabreBD (talk) 12:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Reggaeton needs a different color from reggae, and hip hop, why? It is identified as a unique new genre , with enough difference in its sonic circuitry and cultural base to not consider it reggae, or hip hop
http://www.amazon.com/Reggaeton-Raquel-Z-Rivera/dp/0822343835/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317419201&sr=8-1 Reggaeton has been identified as a new word and genre by ethno-musicologists, Check out wayne marshalls, Hip Hop is to funk, what reggaeton is to reggae
Elperso (talk) 21:55, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Evanescence and Reggaeton[edit]

Is it important enough to mention somewhere in the article that reggaeton is becoming so big in America that it is even starting to get the attention of some rock stars? Evanescence has reggaeton versions of 3 of their songs (My Immortal, Going Under, & Bring Me to Life), which are found in the b-side of the cd called Justice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.194.104.5 (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Nope, not worth mentioning, since they are not official remixes. If you'd ask Evanescence about these remixes, they'll probably wonder what this reggaeton thing is that you're talking about. Also, they don't have an official album called Justice. You probably downloaded some pirated junk off the web. 83.98.245.68 (talk) 21:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

The Big Brigadier edit[edit]

i had to remove a chapter that someone wrote titled the big brigadier. It was obviously some kind of publicity. More obviously, i had to remove it. Sorry, didn't have time to log in. Removed text follows. THE BIG BRIGADIER: Jorge Alejandro López Hernández más conocido como THE BIG BRIGADIER nació el 11 de mayo de 1993 en la ciudad de Pereira Rda, Colombia. Al poco tiempo se trasladan a vivir a la Virginia Rda su actual residencia. Su pasión por la música empieza desde muy pequeño, a la edad de 10 años comienza a escribir sus primeras canciones y poco a poco va naciendo en el su interes por la musica, en el año 2009 a sus 16 años graba su primera canción con uno de los mejores productores Risaraldenses SPY DJ, en el estudio de grabacion SPYMUSIC en donde la mescla entre TALENTO Y TALENTO da vida a la hoy conocida y apresiada obra AMOR ESPACIAL. es asi como da inicio a una carrera profecional y se prepara paso a paso para lanzar su primer álbum en julio del 2010 llamado "EL GALACTICO"; con diferentes ritmos musicales, reggaetón, r&b, ZoKa, dance, entre otros... ya con sus primeras canciones a resivido gratos reconociemientos por parte del público de sus temas: AMOR ESPACIAL, ESTRELLA FUGAZ, BAILAR, PEGAITA A MI, LEJOS DE MI, POCA TELA Y MUCHA PIEL FEAT SPY, BOOM BOOM BOOM, QUE HARE SIN TI... sus propósitos son el reconocimiento internacional, para llevar siempre en alto la bandera de los colombianos. pagina oficial www.bigbrigadier.tk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.227.0.11 (talk) 03:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC) this is me, im hydronaut, sorry.

Lead, regueton originating from Puerto Rico[edit]

I am disappointed to see that the whole lead section has been re-written, in bad faith. To present regueton as originating in Puerto Rico. When originally it was very clear that regueton originated in Panama. It has been redefined using weasel words and dubious sources as to indicate that it originated exclusively in Puero Rico and downplay the role of Panama musicians in the regueton genre. I would like for the respect of the historicity of regueton, that it originated in Panama, as it is historically accurate. I am from Puerto Rico and also involved with music and artists. But historical revisionism is wrong, in all context. BorSilente (talk) 22:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Changes to the Lead[edit]

The lead was re written; still using the original source. The source used in this article clearly state that regueton originated in Panama. The person that rewrote the lead tries to ignore this fact, using subterfuge tactics as inserting the word "predecesor" to take away form the fact cited in the source. That is why I am changing it. If someone has another source that clarly states that Puerto Rico was the birthplace of regueton you are free to cite it. Until then I hope you respect the history of the music and the genre as it is.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070927224045/http://www.askmen.com/toys/special_feature_100/102b_special_feature.html AskMen.com - 5 Things You Didn't Know About Reggaeton

Reggaeton came out of Panama.

Though Puerto Rico is the modern-day hotbed of reggaeton, Panama is the original birthplace of the music. In the 1970s, a drove of Jamaican workers came to Panama to help work on improvements to the Panama Canal. The workers brought with them the reggae sounds from their home country, and soon local Panamanian artists began borrowing the music and incorporating it into their own songs.

Deejays like Nando Boom helped popularize this Latin form of reggae in Panama. By the early '80s, the music could be heard across much of Latin America, though it was still considered underground. As reggae and hip-hop increased in popularity in Puerto Rico in the 1990s, the pieces were in place for the establishment of a new, uniquely Latin genre.

Local Puerto Rican artists would habitually translate Jamaican reggae into Spanish, and when these lyrics were fused with Panamian-style reggae beats, reggaeton was born. A mix of hip-hop, reggae, meringue, and dancehall, the genre would become hugely popular in Puerto Rico by the mid-'90s. BorSilente (talk) 23:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Reggaeton Name/ Origin wars[edit]

I would like to ask all parties to discuss their reasons and sources here before changing the text back and forth! 1. Spanish way of writing Reggaeton?? 2. Transnationality of Reggaeton as opposed to its National importance

thank you el diablo es la ignorancia (talk) 22:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I am tired of all this Puerto Rican foolish nationalistic revisionism, with no respect for academical articles. People may not like it, but the origin of reggaeton is Panama. I am a Boricua, so I have no POV to push. Here in wikipedia the criteria for inclusion is verifiability not truth WP:VNT and all academical articles say that it originated in Panama. So until someone can produce a source that says otherwise. I will keep changing it. Here are the sources for the origin.

  • Andrews, George Reid. Afro-Latin America, 1800-2000. New York: Oxford University Press, 2004.
  • http://www.dancecentral.co.uk/DanceNtral/Articles/raggaeton.htm
  • Andrews, George Reid. Afro-Latin America, 1800-2000. New York: Oxford University Press, 2004.
  • Franco, Edgardo A. “Muévelo (move it!): from Panama to New York and back again, the story of El General.” Interview by Christoph Twickel. Reggaeton. Eds. Raquel Z. Rivera, Wayne Marshall, and Deborah Pacini Hernandez. Durham: Duke University Press, 2009. 99
  • Buckley “Bush”, Francisco. La música salsa en Panamá. Panama: EUPAN, 2004.
  • Aulder, Leonardo Renato. “The Panamanian Origins of Reggae en Español: Seeing History through ‘los ojos café’ of Renato”. Interview by Ifeoma C. K. Nwankwo. Reggaeton. Eds. Raquel Z. Rivera, Wayne Marshall, and Deborah Pacini Hernandez. Durham: Duke University Press, 2009. 89-98.

BorSilente (talk) 07:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey borSilente i partially agree with you, however PANAMA is not the only place of origin of reggaeton, Reggaeton's development did not follow a linear pattern. Jamaica had a great role in the birth of reggaeton, and Panama as its momentum starter, and finally it solidified itself in Puerto Rico and this conclusion isderived from the sources you mentioned el diablo es la ignorancia (talk) 02:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Arguably but inevitably[edit]

This doesn't really make any sense. If something is or was inevitable then it either has or will definately happen. If it is arguable, some people believe it but others do not. The terms are to some degree mutually exclusive but i was not sure what the contributor meant so i can't propose a better wording. If no one else can, I would propose to delete one or other, or both of the terms.

Yah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.130.104.11 (talk) 13:21, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well i think what the writer means that, even though the origins of reggaeton is arguable. It is inevitably linked to puerto rico, because thats were the genre reached the maturity

204.84.216.10 (talk) 19:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Article is outdated[edit]

The most recent info on this article is more than three years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juanisthatguy (talkcontribs) 23:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

The Queen of Reggaeton[edit]

I don't know about any of you, but I say Ivy Queen, "La Reina Del Reggaeton" had an important part in shaping it as well, and that she is the only relevant female reggaeton artist also should be included somewhere in the article... And also, I argue that the first time reggaeton was showcased to the United States was with "In The Zone" featuring Wyclef Jean in 2001. DivaKnockouts (talk) 03:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Modern Dem Bow riddim[edit]

I've added a sample of three modern Dem Bow riddims, and a user User:Nickfale1 keeps removing it. He added the original Dem Bow riddim, which I left there because the article benefits from the riddim as well. I've tried to communicate with the user to settle whatever differences we may have however, he does not have a user page nor talk. I would like for him/her to start removing it as it is from commons, it is my own work, and it benefits the article. Thank you. DivaKnockouts (talk) 20:03, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello DivaKnockouts I deleted your contribution in the article that there is not really any Dem Bow riddim "modern", much less a beat called "Dem Bow perreo", today is still used original Dem Bow riddim (Shabba Ranks version) in all reggaeton songs, in this link you can find an example of the original Dem Bow riddim used in reggaeton (figure 6) “From Música Negra to Reggaeton Latino”: Musical Examples. Thanks and sorry for my writing does not quite understand the English.--Nickfale1 (talk) 22:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

My samples of the Dembow riddim aren't called "modern", they are examples of evolved forms (Modern) of the original Dem Bow riddim (Shabba Ranks version) [You must be confused with my English]. However, today the Shabba Ranks version is not still used, actually variations of it are used, such as the samples I provided. Reggaeton has evolved passed the original Dem Bow riddim, and my samples best show its evolution. Thank you. DivaKnockouts (talk) 01:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Reggaeton in Brazil[edit]

Reggaeton is known and listened to in Brazil. These are just a few sources. [5], [6], [7]DivaKnockouts (talk) 00:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

These sources do not prove anything, is more relevant sources? --Thknny (talk) 02:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Those are all reliable sources from Google Books just to name a few. This list of sources from Google Book all mention "Latin America" meaning countries in Latin America including Brazil. Also, there is also something called Brazilian Reggaeton. A simple search in Google points this out. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 02:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Although the reggaeton is known in brazil is not as popular as if it is in countries like Colombia, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, therefore should not be in the section "Regional scenes".--Thknny (talk) 15:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)