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Definition[edit]

Religion is defined as, according to this article, "an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence". Numerous scientific fields, like anthropology/evolutionary biology, and certain parts of philosophy, can also fit into this category. I suggest you add the word "unsubstantiated" at the start of the definition. JDiala (talk) 22:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I think that change would violate WP:NPOV, but I wonder if there is reliable sourcing for adding a word or two to convey the spiritual nature of it. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
I suggest making use of Durkheim's wording (given in the later Definitions section). Thus: "Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence relative to sacred things including but not limited to gods and spirits". Manbooferie (talk) 07:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
If we want to avoid violating NPOV, but still address JDiala's valid point about science not being a religion, then I suggest adding the word "faiths" to the definition. As faiths are, by definition, unconditional, it would mean that science would no longer apply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.242.109 (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

The definition is baloney. Religion is defined in the bible as something made up by men telling each other what to do. There is no connection to cultural systems and only accidental connections to beliefs. (Pretense of belief is acceptable in religion.) Morality is the adjective form of more, pronounced "mor-ay", and a more is any rule made up by a group of people who live near each other. A more does not have to be right, only accepted. There is no particular connection between religion, morality, and law. For example many people think illicit sex should be punished by death, laws prescribe jail time, and the bible commands banishment. [1] [2] [3] [4] Jewels Vern (talk) 02:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Religion is defined as, according to this article, "an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence". This is very confusing, since it mixes together anthropological and phylosophical terminology requiring separate explanation to be properly understood (and the reference to Geertz in the note does not suffice). I recommend changing the entire initial definition as follows: "Religion refers to sets of variously organized beliefs about the relationship between natural and supernatural aspects of reality, and about the role of humans in this relationship." — Preceding unsigned comment added by ELCLant (talkcontribs) 02:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Religion has a page in wikitionary I'm still a newbe here so I can't add it, if anyone able to add this link somewhere and define it by a dictionary or something that'll be great! Night-changer (talk) 10:32, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

New stuff goes at the bottom. We don't use user-generated sources (i.e. anything with "wiki" in the name) as a source. And at any rate, a dictionary definition would be woefully understating a small selection of sources on the subject instead of accurately summarizing the variety of views out there. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Update to Religious groups table?[edit]

I suggest the table under 'Religious groups' showing numbers of adherents for the five main religions, ought to be updated and expanded with more recent data, e.g. 2010 from the Pew Research Center. Also, I think it would be a good idea to include a few other groups so that the total adds up to 100% and, quite importantly, the "non-religious" category gets a mention too. With regard to Judaism, which is clearly is a minor religion in percentage terms, I think it's worth separating out because of its (dis-proportionate) world-wide impact. The revised table would look like this:

Major religious groups Adherents in 2010[5]  % of world population[5] Demographics
Christianity 2200 million 31.5% Christianity by country
Islam 1600 million 23.2% Islam by country
Hinduism 1000 million 15.0% Hinduism by country
Buddhism 500 million 7.1% Buddhism by country
Folk religion 400 million 5.9% Chinese folk religion
Judaism 14 million 0.2% Judaism by country
Other religions 58 million 0.8%
Non-Religious 1100 million 16.3%
Total 6872 million 100.0%

† Includes followers of African traditional religions, Chinese folk religions, Native American religions and Australian aboriginal religions.
‡ Includes Bahai's, Jains, Sikhs, Shintoists, Taoists, followers of Tenrikyo, Wiccans, Zoroastrians and many other faiths.
¶ Includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys.

  1. ^ Acts 26:5
  2. ^ Galatians 1:13
  3. ^ Galatians 1:14
  4. ^ James 1:26
  5. ^ a b Pew Research Center (December 2012). "The Global Religious Landscape. A Report on the Size and Distribution of the World’s Major Religious Groups as of 2010.". Pew Research Center. Retrieved 30 December 2013. 


Edit Request 18 April 2014[edit]

Way down the page in the short section on Scientology there is an incorrect link to auditing which should be to Auditing (Scientology).
87.115.109.40 (talk) 15:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. Editor2020 02:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2014[edit]

there is a table Under "Religious groups" it is based on year 2000's reports. it's too old. plz update it. M.kavakebi (talk) 16:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - I agree the data is old, but there is no obvious, later information. Can you provide a link to more recent, reliable, independent figures? - Arjayay (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Mohammad Teachings is Hadith[edit]

I am not able to edit. Please add Hadith where written Mohammad teaching as to link to the project article of Hadith. Abdusalambaryun (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. Hadith is mentioned in the article, and is not a "revealed book". Dougweller (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Hadith is linked above as "teachings", so it can't be linked below. I added (hadith) in parentheses Shii (tock) 14:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
it was not added, please check previous history of changes. Thanks Shii that you changed it after my note, now I read it ok. Abdusalambaryun (talk) 16:34, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Attempts to change the definition[edit]

@ELCLant: has been trying to change the opening definition without really discussing the matter.

Is there any reason to change the current introduction? Especially without citing additional sources? The current one covers pretty much anything that could be called a religion, while the first attempted new version causes problems with certain belief systems such as Confucianism (which classified as either a religion or a philosophy), and separates the cultural aspects of many religions. A second attempt tries to limit the definition as if it were purely an American phenomena.

Can anyone think of a reason to include these edits? Ian.thomson (talk) 20:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I've looked at the edits, and it seems to me that the existing (unchanged) lead definition is better sourced and more inclusive, so I prefer not to make the changes. By the way, I want to make sure everyone remembers WP:3RR. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Albania in the map as a muslim country[edit]

Everyone knows,that Albania is not a pure muslim country,as it has many people of both orthodox and catholic faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.74.253.9 (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2014 (UTC)