Talk:Religious order

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Should Society of the Sacred Heart be added? Or is is identical to another name already here, or does it not qualify?
Tualha 03:23, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC) There are several different congregations that use Sacred Heart in their names.


Anybody, please have a look at the Knights of the Cross page. Does it belong to the list here? Thank you. -- Matt Borak 14:11, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Orders kinda needs to be separated out anyhow there are over 800 different congregations in the world. Knights of the Cross probably needs to be in a subset of military orders which include the Teutonic Knights, and about 4 others.

Why are the Jesuits in "other catholic orders"? Should they not just be in the main list?

Wouldn't introducing Wikipedia categories help here? Would automate the creation and upkeep of this list for example. --81.153.249.196 17:42, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Do not merge with monastic order[edit]

Not all religious orders are monastic and not all members of religious orders are monks or nuns.

I also don't think it should be merged, as Monastic Order is a fairly long and independant page right now.Some guy 03:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Do not merge[edit]

Religious Order is a much broader term than Monasticism. Typically Monastry is a place where Monks lead a prayerful secluded life. Religious Order is a society of people believing in a particular faith and typically leading a life helping others. Lot of times, people belonging to a religious order run Schools, Universities, Hospitals, Orphanages and a host of other missions to help people.

OK I see the point you are making . . . but that is not what the article is talking about. The article talks about religious orders as being monastic groups. All the current content of the article is already covered in 'monasticism.' I agree that this is not full picture of religious orders but the broader picture has not been written into this article. Such as that the Jesuits are a religious order but they are not all monks. If another article needs to be written then perhaps it does, but the content as it sits is simply duplicated.Danieljames626 03:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

DO NOT MERGE[edit]

Most religious orders are NOT monastic but are active apostolic communities. Do not merge

DO NOT MERGE[edit]

"Monastic" does not mean "religious order" fro all the reasons correctly outlined above

Cor Unum 10:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, do not merge[edit]

I have two main reasons

  1. Christian monasticism is a quite different thing from those religious orders that live active lives in the world.
  2. I'm not sure if the term "religious order" applies outside Christianity, but monasticism certainly does.

The article on religious orders is quite weak and tends to spill over into monasticism, but that could be solved by looking in greater detail on the varieties of religious orders. The Mendicant orders (Franciscans and Dominicans) are prime candidates, one could also consider adding the various orders of canons, and the Jesuits have already be mentioned. All of these deserve at least a paragraph in this article. --SteveMcCluskey 21:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The definition of the Religious order is added[edit]

Welcome to make further explicit editions

Please mop up with reasons.....[edit]

If the following definition is too sensitive, then I place it in the following:

Religious orders is a lineage of communities and organizations of people who live in some way set apart from society in accordance with their specific religious devotion, usually characterized by exercising the principles of its major founder's religious practice, and scientifically endorsed by either the United Nations or its domestic government [1], [2],[3]. The order is composed of initiates (laity) and ordained clergies.

[1] Bennett, David A.. Postmortem Indices Linking Risk Factors to Cognition: Results From the Religious Order Study and the Memory and Aging Project <Internet>. http://www.alzheimerjournal.com/pt/re/adad/abstract.00002093-200607001-00009.htm;jsessionid=Gg7LpDNMH7MyJQH2vpWv1DzTsB1YSRzfr2mT891ydZDvfPCmz6lY!675572714!181195628!8091!-1 Retrieved on 20 July 2007.

[2] Froehlich, James P. et al.. Spiritual Maturity and Social Support in a National Study of a Male Religious Order <Internet>. Retrieved on 20 July 2007. http://www.springerlink.com/content/ak653l825u352378/

[3] Dijkhof, Hoegen; Hendrik Johannes. The legitimacy of Orders of St. John : a historical and legal analysis and case study of a para-religious phenomenon <Internet>. Retrieved on 20 July 2007. https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/dspace/handle/1887/4576

Jehovah's Witness[edit]

I've tagged the section because it lacks neutral sources. ♥ ♥ (Talk) 13:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I think I'll reword this one ok? ♥ Xuandy ♥ (Talk) 15:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
No, the section at Religious order#Jehovah's Witnesses already had three references, and two of the three are non-Witness ("neutral") publications. In any event, User:Xuandy chose the wrong tag for his issue. The POV tag has been removed. --AuthorityTam (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

"The profession of monastics is known as tonsure..."??[edit]

Is this sentence (under "Orthodox tradition") incoherent? There is no definition in the Oxford dictionary that conforms to this. Could someone expert rewrite it to be clearer? --lifeform (talk) 04:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Eastern Orthodox sources (of which I have cited a couple in the article) are better. Esoglou (talk) 06:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)