Talk:Ricardo Flores Magón

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Obstruction of war efforts[edit]

How did he "obstruct the US war efforts"? Seems like an important thing since he died in prison. Red Star

Probably by speaking out against the war. Any public criticism of WWI or the US government would land you in prison or deported back then. Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 06:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
There was a wave of anti-leftist paranoia in the US following the 1917 Russian Revolution. See Espionage Act of 1917, Palmer Raids, Eugene V. Debs, Sacco and Vanzetti. Flores Magon was just in a place where , as Pogo would say, you could get arrested on suspicion of being suspicious. Notably, the same US government that snapped up Flores Magon and Debs on a whiff of evidence and deported numerous alleged anarchists, took nearly 10 more years to bother with real threats like Al Capone. BTW, Flores Magón should be referred to in the article by both names. Magón was his mother's name, magonistas were probably called as such due to flores being a more common name and not being very macho sounding.. a florista would be rough cognate to florist in English.. Tubezone 08:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Viva las Floristas! Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 08:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Reading this, one may conclude 1917 was the end of the American liberty too in a way. I am sure the secret archives contain lots of 'juicy' files and details about this period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.125.148.175 (talk) 19:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


Birthdate[edit]

The birth year on the English page is 1874; on the Spanish page it is 1873.

I remember reading about the controversy over this date. I'll look into it again and try to fix up the Wikipedia.

Fraternally yours, Mitchell Cowen Verter —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoadrunnerAtWaste (talkcontribs) 16:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Mitchell, you're right; the Handbook of Texas Online says 1873, while the Anarchy Archives say September 16, 1874. Skomorokh incite 17:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I notice you (or someone with a very similar name) recently edited Dreams of Freedom: A Ricardo Flores Magón Reader; if it is you, do you know of any authoritative source so that we can find out which date is accurate? Skomorokh incite 17:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

All the most reliable sources do say it's 1874, but I still haven't figured out why some give the date as 1873. Mitch —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoadrunnerAtWaste (talkcontribs) 03:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistency in naming Magón[edit]

The article refers to Magón sometimes as "Ricardo", sometimes as "Flores Magón", and sometimes as "Magón". (Also occasionally as "Magon", without the accent, but I may have fixed all of those.) The usual Spanish & Mexican convention would be to call him by his patronymic, "Flores", consistently (except when distinguishing him from his brothers, in which case it's appropriate to call him "Ricardo"). On the other hand, it appears that his contemporaries may have called him "Magón", whence the name Magonistas for the militants organized in his name. (But maybe they chose that name, rather than Floristas, because they didn't want to be called "the Florists".) It's also arguable that, even if Spanish convention would call him "Flores", and even if he himself followed that convention, this English-language encyclopedia should still follow the majority of his English-speaking readers and call him "Magón", to avoid confusion. In any event, the article should adhere to encyclopedic style and call him consistently by one or the other family name (except, as mentioned above, when it's necessary to distinguish him from his brothers). Would somebody familiar with his history kindly make the appropriate changes to the article? J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 19:50, 22 July 2014 (UTC)