Talk:Richard Pratt (Australian businessman)

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WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Original Name[edit]

The article currently states that his original name was Ryszard Przecicki. However, the National Archives of Australia (www.naa.gov.au) has a record of Raphael PRZETYCKI aged four arriving in Australia in 1939 with his family, including Arja Lejb PRZETYCKI. A subsequent record shows that Arja Leab PRZETYCKI was known as Leon PRATT. Just to add to the confusion, the Victorian Death Index shows that Leon PRATT's father was Josef PRZEPYCKI. 220.253.52.103 (talk) 23:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Australian government records with foreign (i.e. non-English) names are not necessarily accurate. We also have possible Yiddish/Polish/Cyrillic transliteration problems. And the Pratt family doesn't seem to have been particularly forthcoming about their original name.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Clean Up[edit]

For starters we don't need such a long passage about his death. Unfortunately some people see Wikipedia as a newsite.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth[edit]

OK, is it 10 December (lede and infobox) or 12 March (text) 1934? -- JackofOz (talk) 21:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Here's another media reference for December 10[1] and circumstancial indications for a December birthday[2][3] Melburnian (talk) 02:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I found 12 March (Wasn't the best source however) first off but the media has been saying he was 74 which didn't add up to the original date I found but after more searching found a reliable source which made more sense. Bidgee (talk) 02:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, even the ABC is saying 12 March 1934, but they haven't quite cottoned on to the fact that a person born on that date and died in April 2009 would be 75, not 74, so either the birth date's wrong or the age is wrong. What ever happened to journalism? -- JackofOz (talk) 04:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Well it's just slack journalism which these days doesn't get double checked by another editor. Perth Now has a obituary which states 10 December 1934. The Pratt family's tribute site also states the 10th of December. Bidgee (talk) 06:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Criminality etc[edit]

I have undone Bidgee's recent edit because it seems to be about airbrushing. I don't think there's any real doubt that he was involved in criminality. If there is an alternative interpretation of events it should be cited. Nor do I see a problem saying that he donated to Israeli causes (unless it's untrue).--Jack Upland (talk) 10:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Please cite reliable and verifiable sources that state he was a "criminal" (Charges were dropped) and that he donated to Israeli causes. I'm not airbrushing so please assume good faith rather the accusing editors. Bidgee (talk) 10:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the Israeli donations are a secret - see http://www.prattfoundation-israel.co.il/--Jack Upland (talk) 01:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Again as I said it needs to be cited (see my above comment for links I gave) but that link would be classed as a primary source so it would need a secondary source. Bidgee (talk) 01:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you're misinterpreting the primary source/original research issue. There's nothing wrong with that citation. You seem to see the Israeli issue as a slur, whereas I think it's purely factual. There is a lot of uncited material in the article but you're picking on this.

As to the criminality, there is ample evidence given in the article. The criminal charges were only dropped because he was dying. Sure, you can be legalistic about it, but that's no reason to delete the fact that his honour was handed back.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia nor the article can be used to say he was a criminal. A number of reasons were given for the charges being dropped but as always innocent until proven guilty (IE: It never went to a court where he was proven guilty) and there had been questions about the evidence to support the charges but we will never know. Bidgee (talk) 01:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)