Talk:Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke
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"He was buried in Dublin's Christ Church Cathedral where an alleged effigy can be viewed...."
And a few lines further down:
"Strongbow is actually buried in the graveyard of the Ferns Cathedral in Ferns, Ireland, where his grave can be seen in the graveyard."
- I think the Ferns claim is doubtful. Especially as was cursed by the bishop of Ferns :-) Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Was he really the "2nd Earl of Pembroke? If he was deprived, as some sources say he was, by Henry II, should he not be styled "Earl of Styrgil"? Any other sources to support the claim that he was deprived of Pembroke? Laurel Lodged (talk)
- He was under Stephen. Warren (Henry II, 193) says Richard probably lost the title of earl of Pembroke after Henry II gained the throne. Emily Amt (Accession of Henry II, 25) says Henry never recognized Richard as Earl of Pembroke and deliberately suppressed many of Stephen's Earls. "Earl Strigoil" (a nickname not a title) or "Strongbow" (his father's nickname he inherited) were what his contemporaries called him after Henry failed to recognize him as earl of Pembroke. If you have access to the Complete Peerage vol. X, see: pp. 352-57 & Appendix H, pp. 102-04, which I don't have right here. But it may give you more answers. That's all I have in my notes. Bearpatch (talk) 02:47, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Place and Date of Birth
I would appreciate some citations to back up his year of birth and as to why Tonbridge in Kent is shown as his place of birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlwynJPie (talk • contribs) 15:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Marriage and children
Basilia is usually given as Strongbow's sister, not his (illegitimate) daughter. Most sources also indicate her birthdate as 1116 and Strongbow's as 1125, making it impossible for her to be his daughter! In fairness many of the sources I have examined are genealogy sites and cannot be relied upon. Some give her dob as late as 1130, still much too early to be Strongbow's daughter.  quotes from an 1878 Compendium of Irish Biography that Strongbow "was glad to secure his [Raymond Le Gros] aid by giving him the hand of his sister [Basilia]". The marriage to Robert de Quincy probably relates to Alina, also correctly cited here as Strongbow's daughter. Alternatively it could be a later marriage of Basilia, following Raymond's death
From the entry: "In 1167, Diarmait Mac Murchada was deprived of the Kingdom of Leinster by the High King of Ireland - Rory O'Connor (Irish: Tairrdelbach mac Ruaidri Ua Conchobair). The grounds for the dispossession were that MacMurrough had, in 1152, abducted Derbforgaill, the wife of the King of Breifne, Tiernan O'Rourke (Irish: Tighearnán Ua Ruairc). To recover his kingdom, MacMurrough solicited help from the King of England - Henry II. The deposed king embarked for Bristol from near Bannow on 1 August 1166. He met Henry in Aquitaine in the Autumn of 1166."
According to this, MacMurrough went to Henry II in 1166, to ask for help in getting his kingdom back. But MacMurrough's kingdom wasn't taken away from him until the following year, in 1167.
Also, is the date of the abduction correct -- 1152? That's 15 years before MacMurrough has his land taken away.