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Rancho Jurupa[edit]

Does anyone have any good sources for Rancho Jurupa? Ronbo76 02:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

see also Benjamin Davis Wilson, Mira Loma, California, Juan Bandini, Big Bear Lake (Native American connection). Ronbo76 05:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


Edit war about crime stats[edit]

It appears the edit war is on about this issue. We need consensus. Crime is a fact and if documented properly should be present in the article (IMHO). Ronbo76 05:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the current section is too long, and should not be titled 'Gangs and Crime' every major city has gangs, and it just makes it look like it is a huge problem with Riverside. College Watch 19:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It could stand some editing down, and paraphrasing. Right now, a major portion of it consists of direct quotes from the two cited references, except that the numbers have been inflated, apparently arbitrarily. --Takwish 19:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed much of the gang section, which was based on data that was 15-20 yrs old. Yes, there are gangs, but a slimmer section with better data should be needed. It looks like the data was added more than 7 years ago, and was old even then. There have been "citation needed" comments for many many years, without resolution. Also, the few references in the gang section no longer worked.Rockhead17 (talk) 05:34, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

March 5. 2007 edit about vandalism (most recent)[edit]

This should be looked at because it comes from a user with a non-reliable track record for article input. Ronbo76 07:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Crime section edit[edit]

Today's edit deleted cited portions. It was replaced with a citation that does not work as of this post. If subtle citation cannot be found in reasonable time, recommend revert. Ronbo76 15:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I reverted and cleaned up the section. The citation was actually existing, but still broken. I fixed it. The earlier section may have been deleted because it was copied verbatim from the references. I also reworded everything to avoid copyright infringement. Brien ClarkTalk 05:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

May 23, 2007 Earthquake[edit]

These two earthquakes (3.8 and 3.9, ocurring 5 minutes apart) were centered 2 miles southeast of Devore. They didn't belong here, thanks for removing. Referenced here and here. —Brien ClarkTalk 16:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

"Notable" natives[edit]

  • Can I get a consensus on deleting all red links? If they are notable, they should be in WP. We currently have three porn stars in there that I am pretty sure are fake. Let me know.  DangerousNerd  talk 02:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Took it into my own hands. Erased all red-links with no wikified description. Red-links that were related to something in WP were bolded.  DangerousNerd  talk 20:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd like to get a better understanding on who can be classified as a noteable native. Surely there are many people who were, are outstanding citizens that are not listed in this section. An example would be The Honorable Ray Lyman Wilber. A graduate of Riverside Poly in the early 1890's and went on to become a doctor for a U. S. President, and a Secratary of the Interior. Also, he was the President of Stanford University.
I'd like to put this information up in this catagory. I would appreciate some easy instructions on how to do this. I do believe there is a page that references him on Wiki. Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lyman_Wilbur
I'd like to learn properly on how to make proper references. Any help would be appreciated. I need to see visual and actual examples as I learn best that way. Most respectfully, Eric SegalCirelages (talk) 02:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Eric, Ray Lyman Wilber was already on the list. I took the additional information you included in your entry, and merged it with the other entry. (The entry you made was not in alphabetic order). FYI ... Whenever you reference an existing wikipedia link, just encluse it in double brackets, e.g. Ray Lyman Wilbur. I would be happy to answer any questions you might have, if I can. MissionInn.Jim (talk) 02:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh my, I am sorry. I am learning. Here are my other questions that you may be able to assist me with.

No need to appologize. I've certainly made my share of mistakes.

1. What about posting not so famous people? For instance some one who gave a great deal to the city like one of the unpaid volunteer firemen of early Riverside, say in 1905. Those people were terribly important during those times.

I would not be inclined to add the type of person you describe to the Notable Natives list, unless you think the person deserves their own Wikipedia article. It sounds like a good person to mention as part of the history of the Riverside Fire Department, which has its own page.

2. My next question would be, as Dr. Wilber was a Poly graduate can he be referenced on the Poly website? My last question is, If I were to put up a page as an example, about early firemen in the city how would they be referenced as notables on this site?

Yes, you can reference Dr. Wilber on the Poly page as well as the Riverside page. I would include the individuals only if they are of a wide interest. If they are only relevant to Riverside history, or the fire department's history, I would reference them under the history page of one of those articles, and not worry about including them as a notable native. To me, a notable person is someone that might be of interest to people outside of local historians. There is probably a guideline for that somewhere. MissionInn.Jim (talk) 03:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. I am now trying to be more proactive in what to put up and how to do it correctly. I will probable set up a test article and ask for assistance there.

Respectfully, EricCirelages (talk) 03:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Note, I added John Brown Jr. and Jamed Boyd. I referenced where John Brown, Jr.'s information came from. I don't know what information to place as it is so much in naming the book and copyright information. Also, the copyright was lost on these 3 volumes. Google has all 3 of them able to be read for free using a reader. All the pages and photos are available. These 3 volumes could be a most definitive source of reference material I have ever run across.

If you would, please look at the reference on the wiki page and make the proper corrections as I just don't have enough experience in what to place or not place. The same for James Boyd.

Most respectfully, Cirelages (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Us-ca-rv-flag.gif[edit]

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View from Mount Rubidoux[edit]

I have uploaded a picture from Mount Rubidoux right below a similar one taken in 2004. It looks better to me, but I'll leave it to others to edit. Qwerty510 00:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Frederick Law Olmsted[edit]

I find it intriguing that Olmsted is listed as the planner for Fairmont Park. I know he was the city planner for the city of Riverside in Illinois and another park named Fairmont (not in Riv. Ca). However, in my preliminary searches for evidence to verify that he was in fact the planner of Fairmont Park, I have yet to find hard evidence. Can anyone help? Is there a plaque in the park that gives Olmsted credit? Any books that my clarify this? I look forward to hearing from anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suburbanism (talkcontribs) 19:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC) SEE BELOW

The park's name is spelled Fairmount Park. You'll probably turn up ample citations by searching with the correct spelling. Although I didn't have time to pull out any books, I noticed that the city's website cites it (and the appropriate Wikipedia article!) on this park page: http://www.riversideca.gov/park_rec/facilities.asp I hope this helps, at least a little. Lenge001 (talk) 03:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


More about Fairmount Park

By the way, there is a Wiki-page about Olmstead, however there is no Wiki-page about Fairmount Park.

The 1st worker/creator of the park was a Captian Charles M. Dexter. The original lake was named after him. There is also a street neat the park that has his name. Mr. Dexter pretty much cleared the lad of the park mostly by himself. Afterwards, many people of the city became interested and it was they who brought trees of the ornamental type to plant. There were other donations to help the park. The park was dedicated in 1893 or 95.

Lake Evens was created when SC Evans Sr. donated land to the east, next to the park, put in a dam across Spring Brook and flooded part of the new park area, reslting in a lake forming. this created several islands.

Olmstead came into the park picture in 1911 when he develpoed a plan requested by the city. He designed the plunge (swimming pool) and other areas. Olmstead was very important to the park. Information comes from many sources. Find a PDF file On the city's page called Fairmount Park, Riverside's Treasure. This gives a definitive narative about the park and is one of the best written. See the book mentioned just below and you will get a great history lesson from Jamed Boyd and John Brown Jr., during the 1920's. This date also was the year Riverside turned 50 years old.

HISTORY OF SAN BERNARDINO AND RIVERSIDE COUNTIES is a book that is free on Google Reader. There are 3 volumes. This book gives a huge amount of information on some very giving, caring and wonderful people who took action to assist their city to grow and prosper.

The time reference would be somewhere between 1880 and 1885. I think that is pretty close. Olmstead didn't come into play until the 1911.Cirelages (talk) 21:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

More on the Olmstead Plan for Fairmount Park. The plan was never fully implemented. Even up to today there are some parts that are incomplete. I am looking for sources to support this information.Cirelages (talk) 07:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed Outline / Table of Contents Change[edit]

I have created a proposed outline/table of contents for the Riverside page. It is based on an amalgamation of a number of other cities that I have reviewed, such as San Francisco, New York, and Seattle, plus some specific things about Riverside, and some other ideas of my own. Let me know if you have any thoughts. You can view my proposed outline at User:MissionInn.Jim/Sandbox1. I don't expect to have every section of the new format filled in immediately, but see the new format as a longer term goal that will make the page read better, highlight things that Riverside is especially known for, and to move some of the long lists of information to separate list pages. Your thoughts would be appreciated. MissionInn.Jim (talk) 05:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Economy[edit]

Although the table of top employers does correctly quote the source, the source is not correct. The County of Riverside is not mentioned on the list, and it should be #1, but possibly #2. MissionInn.Jim (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

History[edit]

The hisstorey of uc riverside is place dat has river — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.3.74.143 (talk) 19:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

City department officials name list and infobox listing[edit]

The table of city department official names is deleted. Such listings are subject to continual change and violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The remaining list of city departments is much like any other city in that cities the size of Riverside have fire & police departments, libraries, city managers, etc. The reference to the city department structure is right there for any interested reader to consult. --S. Rich (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, I've deleted some of the officials from the infobox. The infobox template talk has some old discussion about the expanse to which city officials should be listed. The consensus from some time back is to limit the number & type of entries, even if this was poorly documented in the infobox guidelines. Regardless, the infobox is to contain concise info already contained in the article, and since WP:NOTDIRECTORY restricts us from adding in simple listings of each department head, the infobox cannot contain particular individual names. (Indeed, including all of the city council members, mayor, and manager is really improper.) Finally, looking a the simple word "leader" gives us a restriction on the types of officials who should be in the infobox. The city clerk runs the city clerk's office -- not the community, and cannot be considered a community leader. --S. Rich (talk) 05:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Structure[edit]

Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)