Talk:Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool

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Name[edit]

Was he known by all three names, or should this be moved to Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool? The article calls him "Robert Jenkinson", but I thought I'd check first. Proteus (Talk) 09:22, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

No one has said anything, and I think inertia more than anything gave all our peerage articles middle names. I'm moving it. Mackensen (talk) 19:15, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

He is officially known as Robert Banks Jenkinson all three names, the name Banks being taken by the eldest son in the family, until he becomes known as Baron Hawkesbury in 1796, then Lord Liverpool on the death of his father. It is further complicated by the fact that he was called by the courtsey title Baron Hawkesbury and still sat in the commons, until he was elevated to the peerage in his own right in 1803. JMAlter 18:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Entrance to the House of Parliament[edit]

How could he enter the House of Commons in 1790? He was only twenty, or perhaps even nineteen, years old.

Although Members had to be 21 to take their seats, it was quite frequently the case that sons of noble houses were elected to the House of Commons before this time and only took their seats on turning 21. The minimum age was also not strictly enforced and there are cases on record of active MPs in their teens. David | Talk 17:02, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

It was not illegal to sit in the commons even under age, what was illegal was to vote underage. Jenkinson removed this temptation, and first sat a day after his 21st birthday and voted on the Revenue Resolutions of 8 June 1791.JMAlter

Indian Heritage[edit]

I have read or heard somewhere that his mother was partly of Indian lineage.

I've taken the liberty of removing the short reference to Lord Liverpool and the A2 syllabus. If anyone wants to say that there has been a renewal of interest in him in recent years, that's fine; but to say that this, that or other is or isn't in the A2 syllabus is a very odd thing to find in an encyclopedia entry.

Jenkinson's mother, Amelia Watts, was the daughter of the former Governor of Fort William in Bengal, William Watts and a well known Eurasian woman, already twice widowed. It was not uncommon for the members of the East Indian Company to marry women from where they worked. Racism had not reared its ugly head in this area JMAlter

Lord Liverpool was the son of Lord Liverpool and Amelia Watts, who was the daughter of William Watts (one of Robert Clive's bagmen) and [Frances Johnson], who was the daughter of a chap named Croke and one Isabella Beizor. So I think it's fair to say he wasn't mixed race at all, sadly. I'll amend the page accordingly. Eithin (talk) 12:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I've added more on the ancestry of Amelia Watts at her father [[William Watts]' talk page. Begum Johnson was erroneously believed to be Eurasian. If she was is unclear from her portrait in the National Portrait Gallery. (Personally, looking at Begum Johnson's portrait, I would more readily believe her to have mulatto ancestry than Indian). Her mother was one Isabella Beizor and her father the British Governor of Fort St. David (Coromandel coast).[1]. If Amelia Watts was mixed-race, she was at best, one fourth Indian or whatever (assuming that Isabella Beizor was born Indian). Wikibiohistory 01:04, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Oxford or Cambridge?[edit]

Which did he attend? The article says Oxford, the category Cambridge. Timrollpickering 01:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Oxford, LordHarris 18:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Jenkinson entered Christ Church Oxford in the April of 1787. He was awarded a degree of MA on 19 April 1790. JMAlter

Edit[edit]

Ive just done a massive edit to the page and wikified it. Ive expanded the PM section from a couple of paragraphs to almost a dozen and have added subcategories for the important times of his ministry including the unrest at home, the corn laws, catholic emancip, end of the napolenic war and vienna congress. I have added some references, creating a new reference section and a new bibliography section. Also made edits to his early life and his late life, as well as a few other general edits. LordHarris 18:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

What did he study?[edit]

It tells us everything about his time at university but his course --RaphaelBriand (talk) 23:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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