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Contents 1 says 2 A problem 3 A question 4 Praise and Question 5 Missing Pieces 6 Drago 7 Revision 8 Highest Grossing Sports Movie 9 What was that household robot 10 Vandalism 11 Fair use rationale for Image:Dragopunched.PNG 12 Europe in Soundtrack? 13 The Definitive Answer to Rocky Giving Up His Title 14 Propaganda?

[edit] says

At the beginning of the final round between Rocky and Drago, Drago says something to Rocky, there's been much debate about what it actually is in our office. Can anyone confirm that it is 'to bad.'? Many thanks

I think he says "To the end."

I'm fairly sure he says "you're dead," but with a mouthpiece and a russian accent, it's hard to say for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.71.185 (talk) 04:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

A question - does anyone know who plays the Russian Premier, who is clearly based on Mikhail Gorbachev? I think it looks like William (CSI) Petersen in heavy make-up. I can't find the role listed in the movie credits, or in Petersen's.

[edit] A problem

Okay the beginning of the article says Rocky retired after his fight with Clubber Lang, but then goes on to say that he voluntarily gives up the World Heavyweight Championship to fight Drago since the boxing commission refuses to sanction it. What's the problem? How can Rocky be the champion if he retired? If he retired then he gave up the title as soon as he retired. Is this a problem with the article or an overlooked problem with the movie's plot?

It should be noted that in ROCKY III they talk about retiring after fighting Clubber, but it is never stated that he actually did retire. Mcflytrap 20:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A question

I have just watched the DVD version. A part seemed blurred out at Apollo's funeral. The screen-grab is located at: http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2352/rocky4wm7.jpg Can someone explain this ? It might be worth adding.

• That's caused by using a device called a split diopter. A split diopter allows a camera to remain in focus on both foreground and background objects, but it also (rather unfortunately) tends to produce blurring around the middle of the frame. Depending on how the shot is composed, this blurring can be extremely noticable (as in this shot) or not at all. Usually when the blurring occurs in a portion of the frame that is occupied by heavy object lines (such as the edge of the statue), it is very apparent. Bertaut (talk) 01:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Praise and Question

excellent synopsis. BTW, when drago punches that red puffy thing, what exactly do the numbers that show up on the LEDs represent? Streamless 19:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I also wanted to know this. If it's pounds per square inch, the pressure, to my humble knowledge would shatter a human head. If it's kilograms per square centemeter, he's punching with the power of a rifle bullet. 88.153.0.6 20:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

In the movie it says pounds per square inch. I have punched one in a bar, and have gone as high as about 950.

• • • You may have "registered" 950 psi on a bar game but that's nowhere even close to the power you actually did. It is only a fabricated number to generate drunken interest. The world record for the heavyweight division is only 782 psi. [1] Follow that link to see some other records in the other divisions.*** —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.109.29 (talk) 22:29, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Pieces

Why is there no mention of Paulie's Robot or the Amazing Soundtrack in this article?? --SeannyFunco 14:55, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead: be bold and add away. Tempshill 03:53, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Drago

I think that Drago says "To the end" at the beginning of the final round, meaning that he will fight Rocky his hardest till its over. I really like how Rocky waits to hit Drago in the last round, similar to the way Drago fought Apollo Creed. BTW, those numbers when Drago hits the red bag are pounds of pressure.

Drago says "You're dead" to Rocky before the final fight. Between his mouthpiece and his lack of skill at the English language, it's difficult to decipher. GCD1 14:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, just watched it and I say its "To the end" (74.183.38.88 (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC))

[edit] Revision

Is it just me, or is this a really bad article for an encyclopedia? The "summary" goes on for much too long, and most of it just reads like fans gushing about the film. There's no "critical reactions," no real mention of the film's politics (in relation to the Cold War), no contrasting it with the other entries in the series: Overall, I think the whole article needs to be cleaned up and shortened, if not altogether re-written. (Not that I'll be the one to do any of those things -- :).)

(Commando303)

Also, why the hell are the quotes from the movie in italics in the first paragraph? Or even there at all, this is a wiki-entry, not a friggin script.

-Kain-

[edit] Highest Grossing Sports Movie

I deleted the part about it being the highest grossing sports movie of all time. The longest yard remake outgrossed it both domestically and internationally. I think it was passed by another movie as well, but I can't remember. Perhaps it is the highest grossing sports movie of all time adjusted for inflation?

Mls737 05:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What was that household robot

Was the robot a real product in the 1980s? -- Toytoy 18:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

There was something similar. Not as advanced as that, though.--Kim Kusanagi 07:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

And,BTW, I don't remember its name. I was like 5 or 6 Y.O. at the time.--Kim Kusanagi 07:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I tracked it Down. Called "SICO" there were a few incarnations of this crappy "robot" which I'm guessing was nothing more than a remote controlled stereo system and customisable LCD display that they implausibly made out to be an interactive AI robot. see http://www.longislandtechfest.com/robots-games-attractions.htm. This article is in need of massive hack-and-slash that I'm not up for (first time Wikipedia edit right here) so I'll refrain from adding this, but go ahead others. Seblopedia (talk)Seblopedia —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC).

Google "sico rocky" or "sico robot" and you'll find more info, such as http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/102646517 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seblopedia (talk • contribs) 14:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Someone wrote about how Rocky defeats the Soviet Army with a punch and storms Normandy in the first paragraph. I will remove this unless I hear an objection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.82.82 (talk) 22:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• I would have kept it. :-D This movie is so over the top in terms of cold war propaganda. 80.144.242.189 01:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dragopunched.PNG

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[edit] Europe in Soundtrack?

The article lists one of the bands contributing to this soundtrack as Europe, but it is not mentioned at all in the Rocky 4 Soundtrack article. What gives? Swampfox1942 (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

BetacommandBot 10:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Definitive Answer to Rocky Giving Up His Title

I am watching Rocky IV on DVD right now. At the start of the press conference, after Apollo's funeral (about 33min 52sec into the movie) is when this is discussed. At 33:58, a reporter asks "Is this the first time the Champion has given up his crown?". Then, at 34.01 a newspaper is shown with the headline "ROCKY vs RUSSIAN - Rocky gives up title to avenge Apollo's death". I do not know why he had to give it up, perhaps unsanctioned fighting is against the rules of the Boxing Commission, but either way I hope this clears things up once and for all. --User:Hayden5650 (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Propaganda?

That is one of the catagories- is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.184.81 (talk • contribs) 08:42, September 25, 2009

I don't think it should be, and I'm dubious about other entries at Category:American anti-communist propaganda films. I'll start discussion to see what others think. Erik (talk | contribs | wt:film) 13:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)