Talk:Roger Moore

Important vandalism has occurred

Why has the whole "criticism" section been removed from this artcle? Anyone who denies that Moore has often been dismissed by critics, and has had jokes made about his non-acting for years, either hasn't done their research, or IS Alan Partridge. It wouldn't matter if he was the greatest humanitarian since Mother Teresa, as an actor he's extremerly limited, with a single, smug persona. Dolmance (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Dolmance, it is obvious to me that your motives are less than pure. You accuse so-called "Moore fans" of whitewashing but you have made your dislike for him plainly clear, and have to boot made offensive insinuations about anyone who disagrees (even using Alan Partridge, a fictional character (!!), as a wedge) and trying to back up your opinions with other opinions (which fails as an arguing tool). Now, on topic, there are tons of actors whose acting abilities have been called into question by the media-at-large, but do not have a comparable 'criticism' section on their Wikipedia pages....in fact Sir Roger seems to be fairly alone in this. Until I see sufficient reason that he should be singled out, the criticism section goes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstar177 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Personal life - homes

In the personal life section it currently says "Moore lived in Royal Tunbridge Wells for a period after early success in The Saint, and then moved to Surrey before relocating to Hollywood. In the 1960s he lived north of London near the Elstree Studios and in the 1970s in Denham, close to Pinewood. During filming of The Spy Who Loved Me "villain" Curd Jürgens made the offer to Moore to spend so".

It seems to be going backwards and forwards in time, and doesn't have enough dates. Is the following sequence the correct one (and a more logical way to describe where he has lived?): Royal Tunbridge Wells (at the start of the saint etc) --> north of London near the Elstree Studios (in a rented house, due to the grawling filming schedule of the Saint he needed to live near by etc) --> Surrey (anyone know where?) --> Hollywood (when). Also at some point in the 1970s, Denham to be close to Pinewood. Something in the time line doesn't seem quite right at present. Jrhilton (talk) 21:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.205.69 (talk)

This article violates the supposedly neutral point of view of Wikipedia

And has consistently been re-edited by fans of Moore's, to put its subject in the most flattering light possible. Typically, you've left in the paragraph heading "The Greatest Living Englishman?" but removed the long quote from LOADED that it referred to. I'm sorry, but you lot seem intent on removing any criticism of Moore as an actor, even when it can be reliably sourced. If you knew anything about acting and the theatre, as opposed to silly "franchise" movies, you'd know that Moore has no reputation on stage (he's hardly ever done a play in his life), has never appeared in any dramatically challenging film or TV roles (unlike Sean Connery and Michael Caine) and if you'd done your reserach in the appropriate reference books, you'd know that critics' view of him is that as an actor, he's a good male model. I would say that while you regard him as being on the same scale as Paul Scofield, he's actually nearer to Philip Schofield, being a "housewives' favourite" and "personality" rather than a skilled, versatile actor -- but then, if you take Moore seriously, you probably don't know who Paul Scofield is.

And the "speculation " about Alan Partridge is not "a third-party sorce". Look on any of the sites that transcribe episodes of Partridge, specifically the first episode of the TV version of KNOWING ME, KNOWING YOU, and you'll see that Alan, who votes Conservative, reads the Daily Mail and has an unreconstructed attitude towards women, is a huge fan of Moore's. What a surprise!

P.S. In Britain, THE PERSUADERS really is forgotten by most people, and even ITV4 don't repeat it any more. It's the sort of thing that turns up as a question in pub quizzes. Dolmance 17:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

And for the truth about him being a "nice guy".....

His fans insist that's what he is, in their desire to airbrush out the truth, but here's the truth about his marriages...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=487366&in_page_id=1773

And remember, this is from the DAILY MAIL, Alan Partridge's favourite newspaper and no doubt the preferred reading of those who adore the wooden Moore. He also made three films in a row in South Africa during the time of apartheid, injured a man in a road accident, votes Conservative when everyone knows they're the nasty party; his crimes go on and on. Dolmance (talk) 13:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not even a Moore fan but I find your attitude sickening. Even brushing aside your ignorant comments about Moore fans' newspaper of choice (newsflash: Alan Partridge is a fictional character) you berate him for voting Conservative because they're the 'nasty party' (that's your opinion), being involved in a road accident (which I very much doubt he caused deliberately), and making films in segregated South Africa (yeah, I'm sure he did it just to take one huge p1ss on the black race). I also see that while you whinge about Moore fans editing the page to make him look good, you see no problem in yourself, a Moore-hater, doing the opposite. Redstar177 (talk) 16:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Is your name Jonathan Sothcott by any chance? Incidentally, even Tories themselves, like Theresa May, have admitted they have an image as "the nasty party", it's a frequently expressed opinion. As is that Roger Moore's ability consists merely of smirking at air hostesses. Dolmance (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Jonathan Sothcott...ha. There you go again, slapping your idiotic labels on people who don't share your opinions. By the way, if you ever spend some time in the Bond fandom, you'll find out that there are many, many differing opinions on Bond films and Bond actors, and these opinions are largely welcomed. As for 'frequently held opinions', I think you'll find it's a 'frequently held opinion' that New Labour are a pretty nasty bunch. Really, do you have anything to contribute here that isn't driven by prejudice, generalisations, blind hatred, and vague waffle about critics' opinions? Redstar177 (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Naughty! "Nasty party" was a WW2 metaphore for "Nazi Party" And no, not "Everyone" thinks this of the Conservative party. Please leave your political bias out of this discussion "Redstar", and, by the way, the Red Star states have long gone Historygypsy (talk) 03:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Add

Add 'ffolkes' and 'Sherlock Holmes in New York' Sparky

Dab

Just a reminder for our new user who disambiguated "Roger Moore": Moving the actor to a new page entails modifying the links also in the following pages:

• History of cinema in the United Kingdom
• Ivanhoe (novel)
• October 14
• Sherlock Holmes
• Simon Templar
• Pink Panther
• Tony Curtis
• Streatham
• London Borough of Lambeth
• Timothy Dalton
• James Garner
• 1979 in film
• 1927 in film
• Pierce Brosnan
• Interrupted Melody
• Sam Neill
• Hemel Hempstead
• The Man with the Golden Gun
• Barbara Bach
• The Persuaders
• Maverick (television program)
• Terry Nichols
• Volvo P1800
• Floris
• Camile Velasco
• The Spy Who Loved Me
• 1998 Golden Raspberry Awards
• Auto rickshaw
• The Prophecy (Alias episode)
• Vijay Amritraj

I'll start, but I won't do all of them. All the best, <KF> 20:06, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Since this Roger Moore is the target of the overwhelming majority of links to Roger Moore, I've move him back under that title and moved the disambiguation page to Roger Moore (disambiguation). --Paul A 07:18, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If we could have had some consensus beforehand I would have saved quite some time. <KF> 05:06, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

Something not quite right

There is something not quite right here. The entry says Moore was born in 1927, with his last movie made in 1985. 1985 - 1927 = 58, yet the entry says

He is also the oldest actor to play Bond: he was 44 when he debuted and 56 when he retired

Usually onscreen age is used with these. According to IMDb (find a better source if you will) A View to a Kill was filmed between August 3, 1984 and January 16, 1985, making him 57 (+ 94 days) at the end of the filming. Likewise, Live and Let Die was filmed between October 13, 1972 – the day before his 45th birthday – and March 15, 1973. Before Pierce Brosnan's last two Bond films Moore would have been the oldest Bond even with his debut age. --Anshelm '77 20:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Again, something's not right here. Is his birth date inaccurate? Is the date of his last movie incorrect? Or did someone just do an arithmetic error? --Wade A. Tisthammer 23:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

No his birth date is correct. Apparently no one caught the mistake till now. Good catch. K1Bond007 02:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Shakespeare actor

I've heard that before becoming James Bond, Roger Moore acted in many plays written by Shakespeare. Is that true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Samulili (talk • contribs) .

Probably not. K1Bond007 19:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

-The Royal Shakespeare Company did not exist in the 1950's. It was then called the Memorial Theatre. In any case, as the text makes clear, Moore is a popular star and personality, but in no way a serious, respected actor.Dolmance 18:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Actor in "Curse of the Pink Panther"?

So, did he or didn't he act in "Curse of the Pink Panther"? IMDB says yes, Roger Moore's page says no, and the Curse of the Pink Panther page is unclear.

Someone please clear this up! Eptin 06:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

He appears as 'Clouseau' in The Curse of the Pink Panther, the plot being that Inspector Clouseau underwent plastic surgery. He appears in the last twenty minutes or so of the film, re-hashing several old Sellers gags. --Stevouk 13:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Age/citation

This section was given a citation needed tag:

Moore himself was quoted in the contemporary press as saying that he felt embarrassed to be seen doing love scenes with beautiful actresses who were young enough to be his daughters.

This was mentioned in his episode of A&E Biography, when they discuss his retirement from Bond.

- Age doesn't add up - one part of the article says he was 45 when he first played Bond, in Live and Let Die (1973), which would make him born in 1928ish. However, the start states that he was born in 1935. Looking at him in the film, I'd guess about 1928 is the correct birth date!

Aborted Musical Lead

Wasn't Roger Moore cast as the lead in a new West-end musical in the early to mid-nineties, somewhat in the mould of Michael Crawford being cast in Phantom, but he pulled-out at the last minute, having come to the realisation that he really couldn't sing. Does anyone recall the details? Far Canal 03:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Schooling

The claim to fame of a school in Leicestershire [Racliffe College] is that Roger Moore attended it however this article makes no reference to it. Can anyone shed any light on this.

"a-HA!"

May I ask why, whenever myself or any other user has added any mention of Alan Partridge, and how Moore was depicted as Alan's hero, to the text, it ends up being deleted? Remember, in Britain as opposed to the rest of the world, THE SAINT and THE PERSUADERS haven't been on terrestrial television for years and Bond was long ago, so his being used as Alan's idol is what most people under thirty know him from. That's like having a bio of Dennis Waterman and not mentioning LITTLE BRITAIN.Dolmance 18:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture?

Why was the pic of Moore I put in the James Bond section removed. It's in the article on The Spy Who Loved Me (film) with no problems. Callum J. Stewart 09:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Official Actor  ???

Quoting the article: "Moore's James Bond was light-hearted, more so than any other official actor to portray the character."

Talking about official actors seems to me to bring Wikipedia into disrepute. Can anyone explain what an official actor is? Wanderer57 (talk) 17:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

- An 'official' actor would be one who played bond in a UA/DanJaq production of Bond. David Niven is sometimes included as a 'Bond actor', due to his portrayal of the character in the campy 60s tongue-in-cheek version of Casino Royale, as would those who played him on radio (and indeed Connery's performance in 'Never Say Never Again'). The official Bond actors are Connery, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan and Craig only.

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In recent years...

The 1st paragraph of the article ends as follows: "In recent years, he has been a UNICEF ambassador since 1991" Wouldn't it be better to omit "In recent years" and leave the rest? Thanks. 79.177.178.42 (talk) 18:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Y Done IP4240207xx (talk) 22:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Great - thanks! 77.125.92.203 (talk) 17:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate tone

Much of this article, especially the later sections (for instance that his later years have been 'remarkably undistinguished'), read like opinion. Please try to keep a neutral tone in Wikipedia articles and try to remove POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fearfulsymmetry (talk • contribs) 00:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's all true. His "acting" career ended when he finally stopped playing Bond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.172.151 (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Iloveindia.com as a reference.

Scum12 (talk · contribs) added iloveindia.com as a reference, but it looks like that site just took the Wikipedia article for Roger Moore and re-arranged the words in the sentences. (I am fairly certain.) The content of the sentences is almost the same, as are the section. This does not look like a good reference. Don't you have something from the college? Or at least from the area, local newspaper/magazine? IP4240207xx (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Criticism — June 2008

Articles can have criticisms in them as long as it is sourced and verifiable, come from a reliable and respected third party, and is not from the Wikipedia contributor (s) adding them.

The section may need to be cleaned up some, but if he has received criticism, and it is prevalent among film critics and industry writers, it can be in there. As long as the criticism in the article comes from the third-party source that are cited it is acceptable.

Wholesale deletion is not the answer, that shows that you do not have a Wikipedia:NPOV, but are biased in favor, or pro, Moore. Please do not engage in wholesale deletion of sections until you have discussed it with other Wikipedians. Just because one personally does not like, or like, something doesn't mean it isn't so. Please take better care in removal, as should contributors take better care in adding, material from articles. IP4240207xx (talk) 18:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

And why is his support to conservative party listed under criticism? Shouldn't this be listed under his personal life? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.100.176.1 (talk) 11:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's because his support for Mrs Thatcher is seen as related to him making so many films in South Africa under the apartheid regime, and becoming a tax exile in protest at Labour's high taxes. (92.10.203.92 (talk) 14:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC))

I removed all the unsourced material. It is contentious and about a living person. Per, WP:BLP, it does not belong unless it is accompanied by reliable sources. A new name 2008 (talk) 14:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Everything in the article can be proved with a few book sources. We all know Moore has never been regarded as a great actor in the way that Anthony Hopkins is, why does that even require a source? (92.10.203.92 (talk) 15:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC))

It needs a source because it is contentious, and Roger Moore is a living person. Please read the applicable policy, WP:BLP that I keep linking to. A new name 2008 (talk) 15:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Have added the relevant sources. Personally though, I don't think he will be a living person for much longer. (92.10.203.92 (talk) 15:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC))

Charming. Howie ☎ 15:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, he's in his eighties and he was a heavy smoker and drinker when he was younger. He's had prostate cancer and heart problems so clearly he is likely to die at any time. (92.10.203.92 (talk) 15:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC))

Accent

Can anyone shed any light on his accent. It sounds so nebulous, sort of 1/2 British, 1/2 American and 1/2 International. Any insight? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.152.153 (talk) 03:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

K1Bond007 IS WRONG!

Roger Moore was born in 1927. Where does 1934 come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.140.37 (talk) 06:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Pic

I replaced the template photo with an image where you can see his face better. Hope that's alright? Soppakanuuna (talk) 11:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't a picture of a younger Moore be better for the introduction? (92.14.125.230 (talk) 13:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC))

I agree, a picture of Moore as Bond would be more appropriate. (LouisWalshFan (talk) 19:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC))

Actor of Genius?

If the observation that "At the age of 74, Moore was given the chance to go against type with his portrayal of a flamboyant homosexual (with James Bond characteristics) in Boat Trip (2002)" is anything to go by, Sir Roger Moore ought to go down in history as one of Britain's greatest actors for portraying a man who swings both ways simultaneously. Frankly speaking (talk) 10:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he was bisexual? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.79.119 (talk) 15:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Criticism Section

I'm strongly considering deleting this entire section. Some of the information contained in this section aren't really criticisms as such (Spitting Image, the Cadbury protest). The rest of the section amounts to unverifiable, regurgitated opinions from critics about his acting. Any objections? Rtdixon86 (talk) 20:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

It should certainly all be retained since Moore is probably the most criticised actor of the last century. Also, shouldn't his support for apartheid be in the criticism section? (92.12.20.168 (talk) 16:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC))

How do TV parodies and his involvement with the Cadbury's protest count as valid criticisms? The references provided for the protest claims are dead links anyway. Also, how is moving abroad a valid criticism worthy of inclusion in a BLP. The Apartheid claims need to be properly source before being included. Rtdixon86 (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

He mentions the apartheid controversy in great detail in his autobiography. (92.12.20.168 (talk) 17:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC))

I've removed more of the criticism section because I don't think it is adequately sourced. The remainder of this section (opinions from obscure critics), needs to have its sources verified, or I might remove it entirely. Rtdixon86 (talk) 18:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Picture File:Sir Roger Moore Allan Warren.jpg

Do you know this picture is flipped the wrong way. You can easily tell as his mole (before it was surgically removed) is on his left side of his face. The photo shows it on the other side.  The Windler talk  03:40, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

The Saint in the opening summary?

I remember a while back the opening summary said that he was known for playing James Bond and Simon Templer in The Saint. Why has the Saint reference been removed? I think he's just as well known for having played Simon Templer, plenty of people refer to him as that character's name. Of course, maybe that's just where I'm from. Anyone else think it's just as worthy of being in the Introduction as his role as Bond?

Maybe I'm the only one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoldtreeok (talk • contribs) 09:46, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

The Man who wouldn't die (date)

This film has been moved from 1994 to 1995 and back several times. Some sources call it a 1994 film While others claim it debuted in 1995 The man who wouldn't die I can't find which is correct. SPACKlick (talk) 08:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Roger Moore's Age

Roger Moore, appears, under most sources, to be born in 1927 but I have seen references with 1928 and 1935. Can someone shed some light?

redirect Luisa Mattioli

Why the page Luisa Mattioli should redirect here? See at Italian Wikipedia for an article of her. Regards --79.2.60.24 (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)