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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Romani people:
  • add IPA pronunciation for "Romani" at start of article
  • summarize peer review into tasks for to do list
  • compile population records by country
  • Objective analysis of clashes and co-operation between the Romani minority and non-Romani populations of each country with a significant number of Romanies.Lothandar (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
  • add Romania - Facts by Country - EURoma for a Romanian reference of "regions with significant population" in the table, by someone who have editorial rights.

Romani are NOT indian[edit]

While their some linguistic similarities between Indo-Aryan languages there are no genetic markers connecting the two disparaging people. In fact, on phenotypic expression alone the gypsies do look more Afghan and many of their traditional outfits and characteristics (occupation) match those of the herder communities of Afghanistan. It would make sense given the numerous invasions that country has seen. Perhaps some nationalist self hating Indians who are constantly trying to attach a foreign connection to india are encouraging this myth but this is completely false and needs to be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.14.213 (talk) 02:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


I propose a new section[edit]

Due to large Romani migration in EU from Romania to beg or make criminal deeds(not all Romani!!!), EU citizens are mislead by some right wing Hungarians activists and by the name they took, to be considered one and the same with Romanians. I also hear the insane thing in a UK tabloid that Romania name come from Romani people. Also the EU country's with large right movements as Dutch, France, UK, Italy are very hard on the gypsy and Romania, forghething that they decimate the gypsy in middle ages. Now they ask Romania to integrate a nation who migrated for 1000 years, and they make them a BIG problem ,instead to apply the law as for the other criminals. What Romania should do, force them to learn in school, bring them in camps like in 1940, or decimate them and hang them like in West Europe in middle ages? Now for the right information of the readers we must have a sections with difference betwen romans/romanians/romani. I ask this section to be added, mostly for gypsy sake, the romanians are very sick of this confusion and the society shows messages with " death to the gypsy". Now this messages start to flow when some idiots from France and UK started to name Romanians gypsy and other names. The issue is more complicated, because we are named racist by EU because we name gypsy ,rromi, rroma, rromani, with 2 r . Majority of those who accuse Romania not know that in Romanian language, "romani" means Ancient Romans and "Roma" means Rome, so that's why we put 2 r. And what nations wants to be confused?

Exonyms in lead[edit]

I have removed the 12 non-English European exonyms for Roma from the lead. Their inclusion is unwarranted because the lead is supposed to summarize the article, not provide in-depth detail (see WP:LEAD). Moreover, there is an article already dedicated to the names used for Roma, found at Names of the Romani people, which is already linked as {{Main}} in Romani people#Name. This article is about the Romani people, not the etymology of exonyms (see WP:COATRACK). EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 01:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Table and picture of Romani population are wrong and misleading[edit]

The table regarding Romani population, next to "Contemporary issues" has many flaws. 1. First of all, it is unclear what the percentages represent. They are supposed to represent percentages of the total Roma population in Europe, divided by country, but without an accurate description it may seem like it's how many Roma there are in each country (out of the total population of those countries). 2. The web links are misleading. The table points to Reference #147 - "Roma on the rubbish dump". CIA World Factbook. There are two links there, one to an article in a British newspaper about a Roma community in Romania, and another one to the wiki article about the CIA Factbook. None of those say anything about the Roma population in Europe, but Reference #147 makes it look like the info in the table is verified/vouched for by the CIA. 3. The numbers are wrong. The percentages in the table seem to nave been taken from Reference #148 - The (now deleted) page of a European Roma meeting in preparation. There is no indication that meeting ever took place, or that the figures presented there were legit. The numbers on that web page come from various sources, from national census - to private estimates and those made by NGOs, and some of those are not entirely reliable. The final numbers are "average estimates" and have nothing to do with official, verified sources, such as the census. For example, for Romania, the census says 600.000 Roma, while estimates vary from 1,2 to 2,5 million. The "average estimate" therefore climbs up to 1,8 million - 300% the official figure. For the Russian Federation, the "average estimate" is 395% the official number. This is also the basis on which the picture under the table was generated. The explanation under that picture is also misleading. It states that the numbers are the "average estimates of the European Council" when in fact they are an average of different estimates made by other entities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Razvan mod (talkcontribs) 10:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Ref #148 is the Council of Europe. Are you suggesting their figures are 'biased'? RashersTierney (talk) 23:00, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
No, I am not. Simply because those are not 'their' figures. The man who edited that Council of Europe webpage listed as reference a series of third party sources. Those are not the numbers put up by the Council. They are not official, and some of them come from private entities, such as The Soros Foundation. Which is known for its involvement in social issues, as well as economic and political ones (e.g. - The Soros Foundation is actively funding anti-fracking NGOs and action groups in Romania). No number on that page represents the point of view of the Council. The only numbers that are reliable are the census numbers, and they are not taken into consideration on that Council webpage, given that the final numbers of the Roma population are calculated based on 'average estimates', rather than the census (maybe that's why the page was eventually erased?) Razvan mod (talk) 10:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Origin of th name "gypsy"[edit]

Most sources say it derives from "Egyptian" but one source I read says that it derives from Little Egypt, the area north of Greece which was known by that name at one time. I have forgotten where I read it, and frankly I am not sufficiently interested to go searching for it, but someone else might like to. Mike Hayes (talk) 20:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

phrase doesn't make sense[edit]

"...as it is resembled at their flag."

huh?--23.119.205.88 (talk) 00:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I've rephrased. Hopefully it is clearer now.RashersTierney (talk) 03:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)