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I closed this article's AfD with a result of "no consensus". This does not preclude the article being renominated if it turns out that the POV forking issues can't be solved. For the moment, I've reduced the article to a stub, which I hope will make it easier to improve the article. So far, my google searches have indicated that the term "Romano-German" refers to three things:
- The German successor kingdoms to the Roman Empire. I can't quite figure out the chronology on this one, but it looks like this refers mostly to the early middle ages.
- The Romano-German legal system.
- Romano-German culture, contrasted with Slavic/Russian culture. This use seems to be associated with Russian imperialism/nationalism of the last couple centuries, and seems to be another way of making a distinction between western and eastern europe.
There may be other uses that I haven't turned up yet. I'm thinking that rather than a full-fledged article, this page may turn into a quasi-disambiguation page, since these senses of "Romano-German" seem fairly distinct. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Akhilleus. Your comment highlights the ambiguity that has troubled this article from its beginning under the title "Romano German." Just to add to the ambiguity, the term "Romano-Germanic" is probably more precise than "Romano-German." In English, "Germanic" refers to the people the Romans called germani, while "German" refers to the modern language and nation called Deutsch. It would probably be best to change the article's title to Romano-Germanic culture. Perhaps there should be a disambiguation page at Romano-Germanic with Romano-German redirecting there. -- Rob C (Alarob) 16:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Moved to Romano-Germanic culture
A couple of usages for "Romano-German" as distinct from "Romano-Germanic" may need to be addressed -- perhaps on the Romano-Germanic dab page:
- "Romano-German emperor" as a translation of römisch-deutscher Kaiser, as mentioned above by Finanzer.
- Romano-German as a term among pan-Slavic intellectuals for the opposing counterpart of Slavic culture. See Danilevsky's theory of historical-cultural types. Akhilleus first mentioned this.
-- Rob C (Alarob) 18:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
If anybody has an objection to my text, please specify what you think needs correction. Please do not simply dispose of my good faith edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
It is YOUR responsibility to make the case for the edits here. It is difficult to assume good faith when you make aggressive and unsubstantiated accusations against other editors. Please also learn to sign your comments --Snowded TALK 19:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
If you find something wrong in particular with the material, tell me and so I can edit better. I see no way that what I added was out of step with previous material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- You've made more then 3 reverts here, within 24hrs. STOP it, now. GoodDay (talk) 20:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- You are in breech of WP:3RR and WP:GF I strongly suggest you reverse your edits and discuss them here. If you don't I am going to place a report of your behaviour on the Administrators notice board. --Snowded TALK 20:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I still await you lot to pick apart what I wrote by examining it for me. You just rv everything I do, without explaining what statements I made are wrong. That is revert warring for you. I put out hard work and you all cut me down for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- My concern was not article content. But rather, getting ya to avoid breaching 3RR. GoodDay (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
A lot could be added.
- There is evidence from Proto-Indo-European mythological studies of « ... a common sky god or “father sky”... Other than ruling in respective pantheons, and serving as father to several other Indo-European deities, the sky god is also seen... to unite with “mother earth”. According to Romanic and Germanic traditions... this common god, whose Latin name is Jupiter), has a potential functional (though not lexical) correspondence in the Norse ancestral deity Heimdalr» or Heimdall (Mallory, J.P. and Adams, D.Q.: “The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World”, Oxford University Press, 2006: ISBN 978-0-19-928791-8, chapter 25 “Comparative Mythology”).
- On the other hand, the runic alphabet (which by the way derives from Mediterranean prototypes) is known to express Germanic concepts more or less isolated from Roman culture, yet both obviously share a hugh common Indo-European stock dating back gazillions. So, though the Romanic word “Jupiter” as such is very improbable to appear in runes, the same concept is very Germanic in itself.
- --Zack Holly Venturi (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- This article should absolutly not be merged with any other, because the subject is seperate from any other acrticle. I like the way the article has blossemed, and its finally reaching its potential but one thing that is disturbing is the deletion of the Norman Cantor quote. I think scholars agree western europe is nothing more then a romano germanic mutation. --Lucius Sempronius Turpio (talk) 08:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Does anyone have any usable examples of Pre-Romanesque art that can be used for the article? Pre-Romanesque art is a fine example of the art and architecture that resulted from the Romano-Germanic culture. --Lucius Sempronius Turpio (talk) 10:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
The article *does* have 2 references, but no indications of what they apply to. I'm labeling the article as unreferenced. Hope that's the right thing to do. Btw., my overall impression is that the article is extremely weak. The two paragraphs after the lede are very peripheral to the subject. Jon kare (talk) 09:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I am going to remove tag because it states the article is unreferenced, and you yourself said there are references there..I also disagree that the paragraphs at the end are peripheral to the subject. I hope we can find some agreement to these, and i also hope we can work together to make the article the best it can be. --Lucius Sempronius Turpio (talk) 05:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
The article appears to rely on a single source, The Last Knight, a book about a 14th-century English nobleman! What's more, there are no footnotes to support its sometimes extravagant claims. Some of these claims clash with material in other WP articles. I suspect original research.
I deleted two short sections. One made tendentious claims about the mindset of medieval aristocracy; the other asserted a falsehood about an obscure Russian political philosopher.
- On page 40 of Norman Cantor's The Last Knight he defines medieval Europe as a mixture of the Latin, and Germanic Worlds. Also in the College text "The West in the World" the third edition put together by Dennis Sherman, and Joyce Salisbury of the University of Wisconsin Green Bay descibes the same on page 184. These sources are the basis for the statements about medieval europe using the term, Romano Germanic to describe their culture. I am going to add the college text as a source, and restore the medieval usage part of the article. Lucius Sempronius Turpio (talk) 22:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I am going to remove the tag at the top of the article is is not needed anymore. Every claim made in this article is supported by the two very reliable sources given in the article. Lucius Sempronius Turpio (talk) 01:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)