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If one accepts the Romantic period as the first 'golden age' of the repertoire, what is the second? The 20 Century? Where does the definition used come from? I would have thought that since guitar has appropriated the repertoire of the vihuela and lute etc the vihuela repertiore represents the first golden age. RichardJ Christie 07:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The definition "The Romantic guitar is the guitar of the Romantic period of classical music (c.1815-1910)". The period therefore includes Tarrega, Arcas etc. Torres-style instruments had made significant in-roads by 1900. Tarrega did not play an instrument now known as the "romantic guitar" even though his music definitely was romantic in style, more so than the composers listed. Tarrega isn't mentioned amongst the composers. I contend the definition isn't robust enough and gives rise to confusion and contradiction. The later development and parallel use of Torres instruments needs a mention and article needs greater detail on physical characteristics of the Romantic guitar. I'll try to get back to this RichardJ Christie 07:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The romantic guitar has nothing in common with Torres, or Arcas or Tarrega! What one today understands under romantic guitars, are guitars made by Fabricatore, Lacote, Stauffer, Panormo (although some people will already tell you that Panormo is a gray zone!).
Torres guitars used fan-bracing and are entirely different, in both sound and repertoire. And Arcas and Tarrega are far removed from what one today typically considers early romantic guitar composers (Carulli, Sor, Giuliani, Aguado, Regondi, Mertz). I would call Tarrega: "late romantic with Spanish national elements". (Arcas is more difficult, though I'd say he's closer to Tarrega, than say Carulli.) But these things all depend on your viewpoint etc. MySorAccount (talk) 15:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Six-strings, the Standard?
It is, without question, a false statement to claim that by the Romantic Era guitars were "standardised as six-string instruments". The fact is, most of the major guitarists of the time used guitars with more than six strings. These include Carulli, Regondi, Coste, Mertz, Legnani, Dubez, Padovec, Pettoletti, Sychra, Decker-Schenk, Degen, Makaroff, Moretti, and others. Even Fernando Sor wrote some works for guitars with more than six strings.
- This unsigned comment apears to be by a sock of banned user Viktor van Niekerk. Viktor was banned for abusive behavior and refusing to make any attempt to comply with Wikipedia policies generally, all stemming fom particular POVs he promotes on his own websites. However he's a very knowledgeable person on the subject, and the information he offers here should be taken seriously but not uncritically. Andrewa (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Removed unencyclopedic lead
Article used to read The so-called Early Romantic guitar... which is unsourced, unencyclopedic in tone and I guess is someone's POV (I think I can also guess who but I could be wrong and what's the point of finding out?).
The romantic guitar is synonymous with the early romantic guitar. Essentially the romantic guitar is a guitar that does not use the Torres fan-bracing. (There are however guitar-makers that fall into a kind of gray-zone, e.g. Panormo). So Torres is not a romantic guitar, but a Spanish guitar. But these things all depend on your viewpoint... :) MySorAccount (talk) 15:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC) PS: If you want to see many photos of romantic guitars (this means non-Torres!!!), then you could take a look here: Early romantic guitar.
Evolution and scope of the Romantic Guitar
There seem to be two issues raised above:
- What is to be the scope of the romantic guitar article? Does it include all guitars of the romantic period, such as the harp guitars of Carulli for example, or just six-string guitars of the period with modern or modernish tuning?
- What is the history of the modern E-A-d-g-b-e' tuning?
Some preliminary thoughts...
- In common English, romantic guitar seems to be six-string E-A-d-g-b-e', see:
- The history has undergone some major scholarly revision fairly recently, see:
Some new contributions
I have just added some more information to this page, which was seeming to lack it sorely.
- I have gotten started on expanding the History section and also added a "Technique" section. Here I was also thinking to add information from instructional books of the big composers like Sor, Carulli, and Giuliani, whose techniques probably differed somewhat. I don't have the time to make these changes, so I suggest someone else take up that task if willing.
- There could also be a section on the instrument's popularity. This could include, as mentioned in another section of this discussion, minor details of the main composers of the era, especially Fernando Sor and Mauro Giuliani, who helped raise the prestige of the instrument from very low to a respectable instrument to be plated professionally.--Ioismo (talk) 01:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a great image of an early romantic guitar on the 'Classical Guitar Making' article and suggest using it in this one. It is labled, "Jean-Nicolas_Grobert_-_Early_Romantic_Guitar,_Paris_around_1830.jpg" Many Thanks.184.108.40.206 (talk) 09:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)