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Tournament of Roses Redirect[edit]

Tournament of Roses links here. In fact, the Tournament had a number of different events in the early days besides the parade and the Rose Bowl. I'll try to look it up and do some work on it. RickK 00:02, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

-- user:zanimum

Doo-Dah Parade[edit]

There probably should be a brief mention of the Doo-Dah Parade as a parody of the Tournament of Roses Parade. Also some mention of TV coverage, and the very few times that it has been rained on. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 08:46, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Added to the see also, maybe someone can write a section on the parades effect on Southern California. --evrik (talk) 14:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

2008[edit]

While the page looks good it ommits the fact that political protests were banned during the 2008 parade so as to not offend the People's Republic of China. And the national controversy that surrounded that move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.102.163 (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

2006[edit]

In years when the Rose Bowl football game is not scheduled on January 1st (like next year, 2006), does the parade still happen on January 1st ? - Bevo 22:36, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yes. The parade is a New Year's Day tradition. Only when New Years is on a Sunday does the parade take place on January 2nd. PK9 00:02, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

In 2006 the football game was a National Championship game. In older days when the Championship game was held on the same day as the Rose Bowl game, the Championship game followed late at night. I am sure that the hype and television interests changed the format for the multitude of bowl games and allow the Championship game to have its own day.

The next time the Rose Bowl game is not a Championship game, expect that it will be held on New Years.

Mmanning 22:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)Mmanning

2005[edit]

It is important to understand that the most bittersweet year for the parade was 2005 because it was happening less than a week after the tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia, which brought so much loss and sorrow. The disaster was in people's minds during the parade. 04:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SNIyer12 (talkcontribs)

Rebuttal[edit]

Claims that the Tournament of Roses Parade attracts one million spectators are absolutely false, and easily verifiable as false, using simple elementary school math. The route is 5.5 miles long, or 29,040 feet. If all of the spectators were standing shoulder-to-shoulder along both sides of the entire route (allowing two feet per spectator, it would take 29,040 people to form just one row along both sides of the street. To have one million specators would require 34 rows of people along both sides of the street. That is a physical impossibility. In fact, people are spread out along many areas of the route, with lawn chairs, coolers, etc., and along most of the route the sidewalks are only 12 feet wide. Meanwhile, the bleachers total approximately 100,000 seats. So, even in a good year it's clear that the parade attracts no more than 250,000 people. The Anderson School of Management at UCLA should be challenged by the media to present its data. (Peter Apanel; Pomona, CA)

But there are people who walk in and out (for instance, residents along the parade route, who may decide to watch a portion of the parade, and those with small children that may have to leave before the parade is over); and people on roofs, balconies, and inside offices and homes facing the parade route. Calwatch 03:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

This year, the Tournament of Roses Parade was watched via TV in 127 countries, "throughout the world." Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 18:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I like the Page[edit]

Good job to everyone who has taken part in creating and editing this page. Good read. I also like the idea of placing the distance of every city in the greater Los Angeles Area to Downtown L.A. Its easier for people like me to get a good idea of where the suburb cities are from the center of the metro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.45.168.113 (talkcontribs) 10:21, 6 August 2006

Article name?[edit]

Should this article be at Rose Parade? I had never heard of a "tournament of roses parade," but everyone knows what the "rose parade" is. "Rose parade" beats "tournament of roses parade" 7 to 1 on google. We're supposed to be guided by usage, so I think this article should probably be moved. LWizard @ 19:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Oppose Tournament of Roses is the official name (and it's not the Rose Bowl Parade either). --evrik (talk) 14:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia normally titles things under the most common name, not the official name. Jonathunder 16:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- As long as the appropriate redirects exist, I'd say the article belongs under the official name. -- Atlant 16:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

TV broadcasters quite clearly announce the name as "(Ordinal) Tournament of Roses parade" on the English language broadcast networks in the United States. As long as Rose Parade redirects to (or disambiguates to) Tournament of Roses Parade, that should be fine. A case can be made for the Grand Floral Parade of the Portland Rose Festival being called the "rose parade" locally. Currently "rose parade" Portland wins out over "rose parade" Pasadena 162,000 to 111,000 in Google! Group29 19:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Splitting out the lists[edit]

Does anyone want to split out the lists of the queens, the themes and the Presidents? --evrik (talk) 15:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Where are these huge floats put together, assembled and stored?[edit]

I was just watching the event and my uncle visiting from Spain asked if these floats were all put together in Pasadena right before the event or if parts were put together in their original cities and some of the chassis parts brought via train to the region. Also, what happens after the event with these huge floats? are parts re-used for future ones? go to a float junkyard? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.138.8.141 (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Float construction begins shortly after the previous parade; designs are approved in February, and construction begins shortly after that -- all floats are largely complete by early December, with some finished as early as June. Aside from the 6 self-builts, they are built by one of (currently) 5 professional float building companies. Studio Concepts in Portland has built the NAMM float for the last few years and ships it by truck in pieces, but the other pros are located in or near Pasadena. Some characters get reused, along with any mechanical parts, any salvageable structural steel, and such other reusable items as flower vials. Some portions of a float may be kept as souvenirs or museum pieces. The rest gets either recycled (non-structural steel, greenery) or discarded (foam, cocooned surfaces). (Sorry, I can't source all of this -- I've been building floats for 6 years with a self-built, so this is from my experience and some TofR non-public documents. You can probably source some of it from Phoenix's web site.) 216.103.50.52 21:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


Band info[edit]

Am I the only one that finds the 2008 section on bands to be self-promotional? According to the 26 September draft parade lineup, not only is Broughton not the first unit in the parade, it's not even the first band, which makes the "lead the parade" phrase seem questionable to me. Also, I'm not convinced these 3 are the most notable of the 22 bands/musical units in the parade. 216.103.50.52 21:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Video Question[edit]

Does anyone know where one can view the parade if one has missed it on tv? Thanks (Tal123 (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC))

  • KTLA (channel 5) re-broadcasts the parade for the rest of the day on January 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.251.211.5 (talk) 02:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't have this channel. Anywhere else? (Tal123 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC))
It's on KTLA's web site. 216.103.50.52 (talk) 03:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Bands: Salvation Army[edit]

Bands that have a long standing arrangement to be in the parade include: ... The Salvation Army marching band

Which one? The Pasadena Corps Salvation Army band? Almost every large city Salvation Army corps has it's own band, and there are several large cities in California or other places which would travel to the parade.--WPaulB (talk) 16:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Volunteers[edit]

Tournment volunteer members do not "help decorate the floats". If they do, they are doing them on their own, but not as a membership duty. Ucla90024 (talk) 00:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Many people volunteer for the effort. If you don't like it, then tweak the language. Newport Backbay (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

WPOWN[edit]

Ucla90024 seems to suffer from WP:OWN. Their edits to the article today have not been productive. Take it to the talk page to discuss them, fine. Their two edits here and here show that they are now edit warring by making simple reversions. Newport Backbay (talk) 18:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

  • User:Newport Backbay vandalized the Tournament of Roses Parade article by removing the pictures without giving any reason for number of times. Ucla90024 (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Hi! Please do not particpate in edit wars (this applies to Wikipedia:3RR) - Why don't we talk about this? Newport Backbay, why do you prefer the pictures the way they are in your revisions? UCLA, why do you prefer the pictures the way they are in your revisions? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I was not interested in the positions of the other pictures, but the particular picture of the Marine honor guards that he removed from the Tournament of Roses Parade page. I thought it was a neutral picture that should not upset anybody, unless Neport Backbay is anti-USMC. Ucla90024 (talk) 01:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
      • The previous comment is offensive. I would appreciate retraction of the inflamatory comments. I happen to be against bad-layout. That photo was placed in the wrong place, given to high placement *and* was just one part of the bad layout problems. Newport Backbay (talk) 21:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Both of you, please remain civil. Talk about the content, not each other's characters. If you begin to discuss why X layout is better it would be better. I also suggest starting a gallery section where some additional pictures could go. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

To consolidate WTM's excellent comments: Try not to take these types of discussions so seriously :-) It's just an encyclopaedia. Why don't you guys try and reach a compromise? Arguing and name calling really doesn't get you anywhere and it just makes you look like silly school children! :-) We're all adults here, let's just leave the name calling at the door and concentrate on forward progression through civil discussion. Utan Vax (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Introductory paragraph[edit]

The introduction to this article seems to be aimed at people who already know what the Rose Parade is, going straight into details about when (but not why) it started and where it is televised. Could somebody add a more general statement about what it is and why/when it takes place? I would do it myself but I am not sure exactly what the important points are, I had to read most of the History section just to get some idea what the point of the parade was. Something like, 'Tournament of Roses Parade is a parade held annually at the beginning of January in Pasadena, California. It consists of floats covered in roses and other plant material, to celebrate the relatively good weather in California compared with other areas of the USA.' --Angelastic (talk) 01:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I am crafting a sentence to add to the "Weather" section. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Rose Bowl Game[edit]

  • "Incidentally, the Rose Bowl Game is also not held on Sunday, to avoid competing with the NFL. Other bowl games usually held on January 1 also follow this rule." doesn't appear correct. The Rose Bowl games were played in Tournament Park in 1902, 1916-1922, long before there was a NFL. NFL team the Los Angeles Rams didn't come to Los Angeles until much later. NFL games on radio and television came much later. It wasn't the reason when the Rose Bowl games started. Ucla90024 (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Television info[edit]

It might be interesting to say where the various TV networks have their camera locations. For those watching on TV one could use that information to see a float they liked twice.

That third paragraph in the intro, talking about who televises it is quite detailed, yet still incomplete. Since there are thousands of exceptions that have the parade on non-ABC channels throughout the country beyond California and Chicago, perhaps it should be rephrased to something like "The parade is televised on ABC nationally, and various broadcast, cable and satellite channels locally throughout the country." (I'm getting it right now on NBC and Fox as well as ABC).63.87.189.17 (talk) 16:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

  • You are right. I think writer was talking about "from" California. Ucla90024 (talk) 22:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Live attendance[edit]

I will be changing (once I finish this post) the crowd size estimate in the opening graf from "upwards of one million" to "hundreds of thousands" based on the discussions at http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/readers/2009/01/rose-parade-big.html and the various articles it links/references. 216.103.50.52 (talk) 00:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Floating table of contents[edit]

There's no reason for this article to use {{TOCright}} to move the table of contents out of the way. The article uses a perfectly normal layout which works well with the default TOC placement. This shouldn't be moved simply out of personal preference. I'm planning on removing this again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

As there has been no counterargument, I have removed the overriding of the TOC placement. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The right side placement is necessary to give a better look on the page. Therefore it has been put back on again. 71.142.2.151 (talk) 23:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

That's subjective, and goes against the general guideline that the TOC should not be overridden without good reason. The majority of featured articles do not override TOC placement. I'll wait to see if there is any more resistance to restoring the usual layout, but if not I'll revert this again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 01:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Tempest in a teapot. You are making a big deal about nothing. Right side TofC is much better. If you want standard, go see other things that are not standard, like photos. 206.170.104.63 (talk) 03:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Huh? What's "not standard" about "photos"? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I think the topic here is the placement at left, right or center. The writer was talking about photo placement. No? The general guideline for photos is to place on the right side. Ucla90024 (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes - and where the lede image is right now, it clashes with the MoS placement. I reiterate that there is absolutely no good reason for nonstandard placement of the TOC here, which is discouraged in general. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

We can be bold and use the right side for tofc.206.170.104.63 (talk) 03:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

2010[edit]

Congratulations to everyone keeping the article up to date -- it looks great! The picture of the parade queen needs to be updated to 2010. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Rose palace[edit]

Why is this false? I just pulled up the info! Please explain.DocOfSoc (talk) 04:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

  • See Rose Palace: "The venue is currently occupied by The Phoenix Decorating Company, one of the main float construction companies for the parade." Phoenix is a professional float builder. Ucla90024 (talk) 05:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Ok Thanks!I should have read the whole article ad I really appreciate your prompt answer. When I was decorating it was in the Rose Palace but that was few  ;-) years ago.

If you want to jump in at PCC's article, I have totally revamped it but it is still in flux. Could use the help. It was a horrendous mess except for your picture. Speaking of which, there is a GREAT pic of PCC's Rose parade band over at Wiki media. I don't know how to get the image, do you? :-D. Thnx again. Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 06:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Took some pictures at Bandfest (pictures of TCU band, the Robinson Stadium, art works, parking structure, In N Out at parking lot readying to feed the bands) last week. But not sure I want to post any more pictures here. Also took some night pictures of floats at Orange Grove Blvd. getting ready for the parade. Also have pictures of Paula Deen, Rose Queen & Court, Rose Bowl game. Ucla90024 (talk) 06:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Parade theme song[edit]

  • Google search came up empty. No reference provided. No such information from official site. Maybe only one time deal. Ucla90024 (talk) 11:11, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Why don't you want to post your pics Ucla? Would be a fabulous update! DocOfSoc (talk) 00:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC) We REALLY need the PCC band pic! The article is bereft without it! Please! 01:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Too many pictures already. May post a picture of the floats lining up on Orange Grove Blvd. at night for that article. Or a picture of the theme float with the Up with People on top of the float at Orange Grove & Colorado. BTW, members of the Tournament of Roses Association are known as "White Suiters". Milestone Products produces a "White Suiter" pin each year. Ucla90024 (talk) 04:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking we could replace some of the older picture with some of yours, hopefully the PCC band esp. I know about the white suiters, did you mean for the image? duh! xoxoDocOfSoc (talk) 05:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Great, you already fixed it, thnx! DocOfSoc (talk) 05:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

GS Float[edit]

Because of the family-like working relationship Fiesta Floats and Raul Rodriguez has had with Girl Scout for over a quarter of a century, they are donating their design for the float. Adults and Girls in Scouts have been volunteering to decorate their floats for over thirty years. Because of the 100th anniversary of Girl Scouting, the float will be a special feature in the parade. DocOfSocTalk 03:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, though it still seems unlikely the Girl Scouts will do the actual construction (welding, carving, etc.) Floatjon (talk) 12:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

  • The word is decorate. They do the decorating, not the construction. And Raul Rodriguez is the designer and Fiesta Floats doing the construction? Don't know how much of the cost of the float is donated, but the Girl Scouts is raising money for the floats, which have two parts with the smaller float featuring the green logo of the Girl Scouts in front of the large float. 60 walkers will walk along with the floats in addition to riders on the floats. BTW, you don't have to be a girl scout to decorate the Girl Scouts float, entitled "What Will You Do Today?". Ucla90024 (talk) 14:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Archived 8mm Film Footage[edit]

In the late 1960's, each New Year's TV Guide magazine contained a prominent advertisement for 8mm film archives of many previous Rose Parades. Are copies of these films still available anywhere? I'm specifically interested in film and/or video footage of the 1971 Rose Parade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SUxpdnc (talkcontribs) 19:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

2011[edit]

Congratulations to everyone keeping the article up to date -- it looks great! The picture of the parade queen needs to be updated to 2011. The new Rose Queen is Evanne Elizabeth Friedmann. There are a lot of good pictures, including her court: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-roseparade2011-royalcourt-story,0,1274390.story . . . Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

For January 1, 2012, the rose queen is Drew Washington: [1] Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

2012[edit]

I'll have some notes and comments on the Tournament of Roses Parade today; hope you will too. Happy New Year! Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:05, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Co-hosts for the annual Rose Parade: Bob Eubanks and Stephanie Edwards, who have a tradition of three decades. KTLA.com has the video of the whole parade. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

A good recap of the parade :: Credits were scrolled for 90 seconds after the broadcast with video clips showing on the left: the opening, including a singing, marching troupe and float; the B-2 fly-over; Pasadena’s Just Imagine giant-flowered-poster; Cal Poly’s always-famous float creation, this year about super-heroes; horses; aliens; bands; grand marshal J.R. Martinez, vet and Dancing star winner; elephant float; flying piano of Farmers Insurance; Royal court and Rose queen; Indians on appaloosa horses and cowboys on palomino ponies (‘palomino’ is a color, not a breed); Thai float; sky view of a band turning the corner; University of Oregon Ducks marching band and cheerleaders; Wisconsin Badgers football mascot, doing a head-stand; more floats and bands with flag twirlers; float with crazy bird twirling in the front; the longest float in history with dogs surfing on the surface; and much, much more concluding with cute coeds standing up in the saddle; and a statue of parents tossing a baby in the air, so touching and meaningful about the Circle of Life.
PARADE VIDEO: http://www.KTLA.com/entertainment/RoseParade/
Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Broadcast coverage[edit]

I refrained from adding a [citation needed] template to the intro, but I was unable to verify that ABC has an official contract to broadcast the parade. I find this slightly questionable, since ABC, unlike most other broadcasters, does not show every float; however, I do recall hearing this somewhere, which is why I didn't add the template. A source would be welcome. I may also ask next time I chat with TofR officials. Floatjon (talk) 21:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

ABC is the official for both the parade and the game, although ESPN took over the game portion. ABC does not show all because they had to cut to the beginning of a bowl game. Actually NBC does not show all too. CBS left few years ago because it was not profitable to them. Ucla90024 (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I spoke with Jeff Allen, Tournament's media expert, yesterday, and he said ABC had no special status for the parade. What is your source for claiming they are official for the parade? Floatjon (talk) 16:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
OK, lacking any source, I have removed the statement. If it is to come back, it will need a solid source. Floatjon (talk) 03:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

[edit]

I am removing the section about Honda sponsoring the parade. I suspect a representative of their company inserted the bit about them sponsoring it. It does not belong on a Wikipedia article unless there is a distinct section listing current and past sponsors. Otherwise I think this is contrary to Wikipedia's policy of not placing advertising in articles. Wikiwiki102 (talk) 16:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

It is the official name of the parade, same as the Rose Bowl game. Ucla90024 (talk) 16:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Float Awards[edit]

There's a change coming for, probably, 2014 (it's still in the works, and hasn't gotten final approval yet, so too soon to actually update the article) -- but I'm not sure how to word this, so I'm asking for help in advance. Currently, there are 24 awards. The plan being considered is to eliminate 3 awards completely, and make 3 others optional. So there will be 18 to 21 awards, depending on whether the judges think the 3 optional awards are deserved. Besides trying to figure out how to convey that clearly, I think we should probably include the fact that there were 24 awards for the last several years. I'll add that there may be additional changes in subsequent years, once these have been evaluated. Suggestions for wording welcome. Floatjon (talk) 08:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

And for that matter, is all this too much for this article, and should the details be relegated to the floats page, with this one just saying "18 to 21"? Floatjon (talk) 08:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

  • We know about the proposed changes and the judges for the upcoming parade but withholding the information until they are officially announced. It is not our job. Ucla90024 (talk) 17:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
    • Right, I guess I wasn't clear. I don't think the changes should be made now -- not least because some of the details are still up in the air -- but the changes are confusing enough that I think we should discuss how/where they will be described in advance to avoid some to-ing and fro-ing. But if you don't mind going through multiple edit cycles to get it right, that's OK with me, too. Floatjon (talk) 05:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)