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Roxburgh? IP Address 13:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Which defunct category?[edit]

Was Roxbury really a "city" when it was annexed to Boston? Or should it be moved from being the only entry in Category:Defunct cities in Massachusetts to join others in Category:Defunct towns in Massachusetts? Lupinelawyer 18:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

<a href="http://www.discoverroxbury.org/TheHistoryofRoxbury/tabid/54/Default.aspx">This page</a>, linked in the article, says Roxbury inc'd as a city in 1846. Incidentally, <a href="http://www.charlestownbusiness.com/history.html">this site</a> says Charlestown (also now a neighborhood of Boston) incorporated as a city in 1847, which would seem to suggest that it should be in this category, not in Defunct Towns (I don't have documentary evidence for either of these two claims, so I won't make the change). Still, I'm not sure we need a category with only two entries; why not put all disincorporated cities and towns in "Category: Defunct municipalities in Massachusetts" instead? Wiki Wistah 04:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

1846 Roxbury incorporated as a city.[1]-96.237.8.174 (talk) 18:51, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Rev. John Eliot[edit]

This page needs a reference to John Eliot. The Eliot church still stands - at least it was there the last time I drove through - and he was a very important figure in the colonial era. He ministered to native Americans and African-Americans, and gave land for the Eliot school in what is now Jamaica Plain.

And yes, Roxbury was in independent city before annexation.

MarkinBoston 18:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure of where to put this comment as it applies to the Wikipedia entry on Roxbury and its boundaries. I believe that to say that the South End and the Boston & Albany RR Yards (which the Prudential Center replaced) were historically in Roxbury is incorrect. Also, I don't remember the yards ever being called the "Roxbury" yards. Whitehill's Topographic History puts the South End-Roxbury border at about Lenox Street which is south of Mass Ave, thus putting the South End and Back Bay proper within Boston. Whitehill wasn't right about everything but this seems definitive. However, the Fens and surrounding Fenway neighborhood, Longwood Med area, Mission/Parker Hill, Northeastern Univ area, maybe even Kenmore Square, are all at least historically within Roxbury. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.96.23.183 (talk) 15:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Citation requests[edit]

I removed some citation requests from the text. The statements referenced are not controversial. Any map of colonial Boston shows that Roxbury was at the mainland connnection to Boston. I'll try to put a few more references into the article when I get a chance MarkinBoston 20:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I likewise removed citation request for the section on notable residents. I've cleaned them up. Most of those that remain have Wiki-pages that make clear the subject's connection to Roxbury. In other cases there is an explanatory note and/or an external link to a reliable source. Some question the value of these "notable residents" listings, but this one is fairly reliable and serves a purpose. Finn Froding (talk) 15:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Boundary history details[edit]

A manual for the use of the General Court By Massachusetts. 1900

p.148 NORFOLK COUNTY
ROXBURY
Date of Establishment Sept. 28, 1630 Common land.
From what Established or Incorporated, Change of Boundary...
Common land. Mar. 4, 1633 bounds between Roxbury and Boston
established. April 7, 1635 bounds between Roxbury and Newe 
Towne established. May 25,1636 certain lands granted to Roxbury. 
May 2, 1638 certain lands granted to Roxbury. May 16,1638 bounds 
between Roxbury and Dedham established. Oct. 7, 1641 bounds 
between Roxbury and Boston established. Oct. 16, 1660 certain 
lands granted to Roxbury. May 12,1675 bounds between Roxbury 
and Dedham established. Mar. 16,1836 bounds between Roxbury
and Boston established. April 19 1837 bounds between Roxbury
and Boston established. April 23, 1838 part of Newton annexed.
Feb. 24, 1844 part annexed to Brookline. Mar. 12, 1846 Roxbury 
incorporated as a city. Mar. 25, 1846 act of incorporation accepted
by the town. May 3, 1850 part annexed to Boston and bounds be-
tween Roxbury and Boston established. May 24,1851 part estab- 
lished as West Roxbury. April 3, 1860 part annexed to Boston and 
bounds established if the act is accepted by both cities. April 16,
1860 the act accepted by Roxbury. May 8, 1860 the act accepted
by Boston. June 1, 1867 Roxbury annexed to Boston if this act is 
accepted by both cities. Sept. 9 1867 the act accepted by both.
Jan. 5, 1868 the act took effect.

-96.237.8.174 (talk) 18:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

There is a discrepancy with the demographics[edit]

The demographic percentages listed are not consistent with the cited source. Either the percentages should be changed to reflect the source or an updated source should be provided.50.176.69.106 (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2013 (UTC)chambers

Current boundaries[edit]

There are many issues with the two separate descriptions of Roxbury's modern boundaries. While neighborhoods in Boston are rather loosely defined, some of the boundaries in this article are simply incorrect. The following sentence should be removed since it is wildly inaccurate:

"Roxbury now generally ends at Hammond St, Davenport St to the east and East Lenox St/Melnea Cass Boulevard to the south."

Hammond, Davenport, and East Lenox are in no way part of Roxbury, while Melnea Cass is often considered part of the northern boundary.

The other section is also problematic. It seems to conflate historic lines with current ones. The latter half, quoted below, appears to describe current boundaries but contains errors. The Muddy River does not border Roxbury by any standard (Jamaica Plain and Mission Hill are between the river and Roxbury) and Columbia Road is rarely used as a boundary between Roxbury and Dorchester.[2]

"This side of the Muddy River is Roxbury, the other side is Brookline and Boston. Franklin Park, once entirely within Roxbury when Jamaica Plain, West Roxbury and Roslindale were villages within the town of Roxbury until 1854, has been divided with the line between Jamaica Plain and Roxbury located in the vicinity of Peter Parley Road on Walnut Avenue, through the park to Columbia Road. Here, Walnut Avenue changes its name to Sigourney Street, indicating the area is now Jamaica Plain. One side of Columbia Road is Roxbury, the other Dorchester." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.174.110.7 (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ A manual for the use of the General Court By Massachusetts. 1900 p.148
  2. ^ http://bostonography.com/2012/crowdsourced-neighborhood-boundaries-part-one-consensus/