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- 1 Image heavy?
- 2 portrayed in movies and fiction
- 3 Rename proposal
- 4 Rename official voting
- 5 Aleksandra?
- 6 Cultural resemblance
- 7 In fiction, Red Sonya was her sister
- 8 Ethno-religious origin
- 9 Image:Khourrem.jpg
- 10 Name
- 11 Did she have the title Empress?
- 12 Death
- 13 Copy paste move
- 14 Who has invented this name Alexandra Anastasia Lisowska?
- 15 hidden categry (?) now deleted, and wrong anyway
- 16 Requested move
- It totally is. I tried to remove some of the more uselesse ones, but an IP quickly restored them. I'm not getting in an edit-war with some fanboy over that kind of BS... -- Imladros (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
portrayed in movies and fiction
Her relationship with the Sultan is main focus of "Sultan", a Turkish telenovella (i.e. TV-drama with a very high but fixed number of episodes), which was very popular in Eastern Europe and probably many other places last year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:130:400:1660:64C7:A290:BE58:14FA (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
As per all sources I could find, her name was Anastasia. Besides, she was a Ruthenian rather than Polish lady, so "Lisovska" seems more appropriate. But these two things can be decided later and separately from the main issue, that this person is also known as Roxelana and the article should be called as such. I just post this here for now to solicit preliminary opinions, and I will post a proposal at WP:RM. Regards, --Irpen 05:03, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Agree. Roxelana is definitely the better name. Everyking 06:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- Aleksandra is a mistake. I think it's time to switch it to Roxelana. Sashazlv 03:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I see that nobody objects. Sashazlv 04:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Will post at WP:RM. Guys, please keep track of announcement boards at both RU and UA portals (two boards per each), there is a couple of similar discussions. Thanks! --Irpen 03:15, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
Rename official voting
This is a really weird case when a person is under the name that is less conventional, and an unconvential name includes an incorrect first name on top of it. Sashazlv & Irpen 04:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Move to Roxelana
- support. One of proposal's initiators. --Irpen 04:57, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
- support. Sashazlv 04:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Oppose (but only slightly, since I prefer the name of Roxolana. Halibutt 07:37, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
- I would not mind Roxolana. But do the google test and see that the world uses RoxElana for whatever reason. Please think it over. --Irpen 14:45, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Are there any serious English language sources, other than WP mirrors, which call her "Aleksandra"? If so, please bring them up here. Thanks! --Irpen 21:14, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
- No, probably not. At least, don't consider my last edit on this page as a standpoint in this matter; I added it only because I saw it in the categories - without reflecting upon it. If it is erroneous, it should, of course, be removed. /The Phoenix 14:27, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, I removed it until someone finds some supporting info for this name. I don't mind having several names in the article of course. I removed it only because the name seems simply incorrect. --Irpen 15:56, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
- Nowadays the figure of Roxelana is an important historical and social symbol regarding the issues of Ukrainian woman and international sex slavery.
Any refs, especially regarding sex slavery. I never heard about this connection which doesn't mean that there is none. --Irpen 19:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
- Відносно цитування: неодноразово зустрічав образ Роксолани в журналістських матеріалах про наших б..., що працюють за кордоном. Це досить зрозуміло й за елементарною логікою. Навіть якби я й зберіг ці посилання, думаю, не варто розвивати цю тему для широкої міжнародної авдиторії. Хто розуміє - задовольниться тим, що вже вказано. Хто ні - нехай думає, що тема міжнародного секс-невільництва не так уже й повязана з сучасною Україною ;) Чи може, викинути зовсім цей блок? AlexPU
No one is saying that the problem of sex-slavery has no connection with Ukraine. I was just surprized that this problem is associated with Roxolana. Even if someone makes such a connection, her cultural legacy in Ukraine is mainly defined by Zagrebelny's book rather than by a more modern phenomenon of women being forced into prostitution. So, having this section with just this might mislead the reader into thinking that this is her most significant legacy. I would say, remove this in toto, if you ask me. A different option would be to write an expaned section on her cultural legacy, where this could be mentioned but not as the only or even the most significant thing she is remembered for. If anyone can write it, fine with me. --Irpen 07:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- OK, let us leave this passage only here waiting for its developing author. AlexPU 15:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
In fiction, Red Sonya was her sister
Red Sonya was her sister in the short story The Shadow of the Vulture by Robert E. howard. Enda80 14:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)Enda80
Although I have read some of the primary sources dealing with Roxelana, I have not read all of them. But from what I have read, both primary and secondary materials, the indications are that she was by origin a Ukrainian of the Orthodox Christian confession. I know of no evidence that she was Jewish and think this unlikely. Certainly, primary authorities, contemporaries like Michael the Lithuanian, who was probably a Ruthenian nobleman, would not have claimed her for their own were she Jewish. Therefore, until such evidence be brought forth, I think it best to delete reference in the article to any possible Jewish background. Mike Stoyik 22:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
This image appears to be a more contemporary painting than the other ones shown here. Should it be included in the article? (I'm not an expert, just found it at the page for Suleiman the Magnificent). DavidRF (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone else noticed that her letter to Sigismund is signed "Haseki Sultan"? Wouldn't that imply then that Haseki, rather than Hürrem or Roxelana, was the name by which she went in life, at least in an official capacity? Dlayiga (talk) 06:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oh. Nevermind. I'm retarded. Haseki sultan was her title. I'm still trying to figure out what it says just above that. There's so much discussion about her proper name, i wonder what she'd use to refer to herself. Dlayiga (talk) 11:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Did she have the title Empress?
- She did not have the title Empress. That title did not excist in the Ottoman Empire. The highest title for a woman in the Imperial Harem was the mother of the sultan, the Valide sultan. The wives of the sultan had no position which equals that of an empress. The highest title of an consort to the sultan was kadin, and there where four kadins, not one, so that position can not equal an empress. Rather, the rank of valide sultan can be considered more equal to that of an empress. In any case, titles should not be translated, and the article gives incorrect information by referreing to her in a title which she did not have and which in fact did not excist in the Ottoman empire. If she had the title of kadin, then that tiel can be used. The title of empress should be removed from the article. --Aciram (talk) 13:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- The same problem again: she can not be referred to as an empress, if that title did not excist in the Ottoman empire. This must be referenced or removed from the article. I have placed a question regarding this on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. If this title is not referenced or confirmed there, it will be removed again. --Aciram (talk) 15:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
She must have been poisoned by Nurbanu Sultan. You know, that she was poisoned is true. But she was most probably poisoned by Nurbanu Sultan and Rüstem Pasha. Because at that time Nurbanu Sultan and Rüstem Pasha's relationship grew more and more because of Mahidevran Haseki Sultan. Let them, Selim was Mahidevran Sultan's side. I don't mean he was an enemy of his mother - he was mentioned with Sarkhosh Selim, how can he be? - but he was probably affected by Sehzade Mustafa like the youngest Cihangir, do you not think so? Suppose that you never have your step out of the palace, that you are affected by your step-brother is normal I think. Please answer me... Thanks User:Gerçek tarih 12:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Nurabnu was her daughter in law,Nurbanu was the Wife of Selim II and Rüstem Pasha her daughter Mirhimah Sultan's Husband What you talking a Bullshit.
Selim II,was like his Mother...Face and Charakter and he do not like Mahidevran... He gave her a little bit Money as she came to him and ask them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilek2 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Copy paste move
Someone has attempted several times to copy-paste move this article to the title Hürrem. If someone wants to start a discussion about moving this article to that title formally, that is fine, but one can't just copy-paste the text from this article over the redirect simply because one wishes to see the article renamed. Please do this the right way. --Jayron32 15:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Who has invented this name Alexandra Anastasia Lisowska?
There is almost no evidence of her life before her time in the Ottoman palace, so did someone find her 15th century identity papers where this name was written. How is this information even known?DragonTiger23 (talk) 19:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I am not questioning that this name is used by modern authors but historically this name has probably no base.DragonTiger23 (talk) 07:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC) But I don't know for sure maybe it was documented? DragonTiger23 (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Articles containing Arabic-language text is now redlnked, I can't find it in the main list, maybe in a template? But it's Arabic SCRIPT, the language is Ottoman, not Arabic.....Skookum1 (talk) 12:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)