Talk:Rudolf Höss

Execution described twice

Am I crazy and misreading or do they describe his hanging at Auschwitz twice? Once halfway through the trial section and another right at the end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AugieIsHere (talk • contribs) 00:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

british torture

Yeah, mass-murderers always had that taken into account. 1.54.172.127 (talk) 06:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

why is there no mention of anyone being prosecuted for violating Genvea in torture of POW Hoss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.191.14 (talk) 16:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Was there a prosecution?

At present, I'm assuming it is not mentioned because there was no prosecution.

Please let us know if you have other information about this.

Marchino61 (talk) 05:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

WWI service

Perhaps worth looking...

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&p=2173079&sid=3d883c14a07868986114d83266adba4a#p2173079

Höss's family

Is it really necessary to publicize the names of Rudolf Höss's children here? This information seems irrelevant and even potentially harmful to the people concerned. Certainly Höss's children should not be made to share the guilt of their father? Even aside from this, does not the mentioning of their names violate the WP:Notability criterion? This also goes for the grandson, who seems to have publicized himself somewhat. Is he notable enough for Wikipedia? The whole story of Rudolf Höss is so terrible and dirty. Do we really need to get his descendants mixed up in it as well? Filursiax (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

• I have added a note on Talk on the page Rainer Höss as well, where I suggest that that page be deleted entirely, because it fails to satisfy the WP:Notability criterion. Filursiax (talk) 00:40, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

• I have checked the revision history of this article, and find that the information on Rudolf Höss's children was added at 01:53, 14 February 2017‎ by Carolus, who was later banned from Wikipedia. (The article on Rainer Höss was also started by Carolus - at 05:39, 13 February 2017.) I don't know if this is relevant to my above suggestion that the information (and the Rainer Höss article) be deleted, but I'm offering it for what it's worth. FYI I am of course not suggesting that the Rudolf Höss article be deleted! Filursiax (talk) 12:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Martin Bormann

I have added an image of Bormann since he is discussed in an adjacent section. They were convicted of the murder of a German schoolmaster in the 1920s, and both served in prison for their crime. 81.151.255.222 (talk) 08:56, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Year of birth

This should be 1900 not 1901. Höss himself indicates in his own testimony that he was 46 during the Nuremberg trials:

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1946hoess.asp

The Encyclopaedia Britannica lists his year of birth as 1900:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Rudolf-Franz-Hoss

As does the Yad Vashem Institute:

https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%206418.pdf

I will not change this on the Wikipedia entry as I fear it will only be reverted back to 1901. However, I leave this information here for perusal. Dambers50 (talk) 16:56, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Re: the Fordham source: Even if he was born in 1900, he could not have been 46 years old on 5 April 1946 (the date he testified), since his birthday was in November. Somebody must have made a mistake.

I think British historian Richard J. Evans is a pretty reliable source, better that Britannica or Yad Vashem.— Diannaa (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

dewiki has this note (Google translation) that seems convincing:

The year of birth 1901 is not only evident from the birth certificate of the Baden-Baden registry office or the marriage certificate in the family register of August 17, 1929. It can also be found in all student lists and the registration data in Mannheim. In a raid in Schwerin in 1923 and in the Parchimer trial in 1924, as well as in all later CVs, including Höß' handwritten CV from 1936, he claims to have been born in 1900. As a "white born" he would no longer have been called up for military service, which is why he stated 1900 as the year of birth in order to be able to make his participation in the First World War more credible. The proof in Wilhelm Kreutz, Karen Strobel: Der Kommandant und die Bibelforscherin: Rudolf Höß und Sophie Stippel. Zwei Wege nach Auschwitz (= Schriftenreihe MARCHIVUM 1). Mannheim 2018, S. 27 ff.

K. Oblique 10:03, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Is there a problem with my editing?

Obviously I put a source on it, and it clearly says Klaus Hoes died in 1986. Is my editing wrong? 망고소녀 (talk) 03:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there are mu ltiple problems:

• 1. The source, Exberliner does not appear to be a reliable source.
• 2. The article says "In the mid-1980s Klaus died in Sydney from liver cirrhosis as a result of chronic alcohol abuse."
• 3. The date "1986" does not appear anywhere in the article
• 4. An IP stepped in and restored your disputed edit. This has happened a number of times in connection with your editing, and each time you have denied that the IP is you. These protestations lose their strength when it happens again and again. Recall that you have already been warned by an admin not to edit with an IP, but to use your account to do so. Your use of an IP to "avoid scrutiny" of your edits is a violoation of WP:sockpuppetry.

Beyond My Ken (talk) 12:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

So it looks like Klaus Hoes died in the 1970s and 1980s. Only this source says Klaus died in the 1970s and other articles say he died in the 1980s. Can't we just indicate that Klaus died between the 1970s and 1980s? Please trust my editing. 망고소녀 (talk) 13:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Reliability of sources

• Source 1: IsraelHayom
• Source 2: Exberliner

Would other editors please evaluate these sources to see if one is more reliable than the other, or, indeed, if either appears to be reliable? Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The Harding source [1] says 1980s as well - IsraelHayom appears to be the outlier here. – bradv 13:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Great! At last an unequivocally reliable source, The Washington Post. I've changed Klaus' date of death to the 1980s, and cited the Harding article from the Post. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Inappropriate framing of relations with a prisoner

> In 1942, Höss had sexual relations with a political prisoner at Auschwitz named Eleonore Hodys (or Nora Mattaliano-Hodys). The woman became pregnant, and was imprisoned in a standing-only arrest cell.

I'm concerned with the framing here. I would use the framing "had sexual relations" to refer to a consensual sexual relationship without a structural power imbalance. This is obviously not applicable to the relationship between the commandant of Auschwitz and a political prisoner. 103.66.132.242 (talk) 04:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

> In 1942, Höss abused a political prisoner at Auschwitz named...

or even

> In 1942, Höss raped a political prisoner at Auschwitz named — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.66.132.242 (talk) 04:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Höss quote

Re the deletion of this quote because the source didnt seem reliable to editor

"When accused of murdering three and a half million people, Höss replied, "No. Only two and one half million—the rest died from disease and starvation." There is another source that corraborates this quote albeit in a different form.

Witnesses to Nuremberg- An Oral History of American Participants at the War Crimes Trials by Bruce M. Stave (1998) s. 99

https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1119&context=dissertations_2 the quote is related by an interpreter Harry Fiss.

Sfar13 (talk) 08:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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