Talk:Rules of the Eurovision Song Contest
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Number of songs in final
This article states a maximum of 25 songs in the final contest, but tallies this up thus: The "big five" countries (=5) The previous year's winnder (=1) 10 qualifiers from 1 semi final (=10) 10 qualifiers from a second semi final (=10)
This article needs to be completely re-written. Following my successful re-write of the main Eurovision article, these sub-articles need the same treatment. Does anyone else want to lend a hand, or is up to me? EuroSong talk 15:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Clear cut in the article - as long as the lyrics and tune are original, then it's fine (e.g. the Nick Clegg song or We Are The Winners). Spa-Franks (talk) 11:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Rule changes for breaking ties
The 2009 rules (http://eurovision.tv/upload/esc2009rules.pdf) say:
Lack of historical perspective
This article should be divided into basic rules, i.e. rules that have never changed or have been the same for at least the last 20 years, and rules that have changed through the years. Also, it should clearly state which of the rules that are new, and when they were implemented. As the article currently stands, a reader may, for instance, be lead to think that the two pan-European semi-finals have been around for years, when, in fact, they were introduced for the 2009 contest. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 10:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
"Live music ban"
So, have a look at Finland this year, UK in 2003 (and in 2004) and Bosnia & Herzegovina this year... the list goes on of guitars and pianos (Romania in 2010 & 2011) played. (By the way, Moldova 2010's famous saxophone was faking) What is recognised by the officials? --Spa-Franks (talk) 09:18, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Purely instrumental songs and live instruments not allowed?
1. Purely instrumental songs: the description here in the article was that instrumentals are considered "tantamount" to cheating (who chose such a horrible word?), anyway, can anyone explain how THAT is considered cheating? It doesn't make any sense and it doesn't reference anything at all, so I'm simplifying that description into the only thing we have as a fact, which is that there has never been a purely instrumental composition in the contest.
2. Now, the thing about live instruments... As Spa-Franks says above me, there have been some instruments in the contest in recent years. Sure, maybe a guitar can be unplugged so that it's only "for show", and the aforementioned saxophone can just be "not blown into" so that it doesn't produce a sound, but what about the drums? You can't really unplug an acoustic drumkit so... I think we need more clarification into the whole "live music ban". Does it apply to everything except percussion instruments or something? Cancerbero 8 (talk) 13:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- One more thing - in 2003, the Russian entry, Ne ver', ne boysia's studio version features no drums but there are drums in the live performance. Spa-Franks (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone else think the list of years/countries with "unusual" language choices is trivia? What does it take to qualify for that section? Why is Germany's reprise sung in four common Eurovision languages special? And how is Austria's use of German special? It's also terribly out of date. Esma sang in Romani in 2013, for example. Can we just remove this section entirely? Mr. Gerbear|Talk 08:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
- I agree that it is trivia. But Austrian's use of German is special because these dialects are strange enough so that someone who has learned German on B2-niveau could not possibly understand them. Some of these dialects are even strong enough that most native speakers don't understand them. (1071, 2003 and 2012 entries are difficult to understand for people from Norther Germany and close to impossible to understand for non-natives. The 1996 entry can only be understood by inhabitants of Voralberg, Liechtenstein and Switzerland.) Judith Sunrise (talk) 03:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Mr. Gerbear: and @Judith Sunrise: The section just needs a clean up and bringing to standards as well as updating of course. Member of WikiProject Eurovision tend to concentrate on updating all the contest articles, and forget about these types (which are like a more in-depth "behind the scenes" genre of article) - and it is a shame that they become neglected. I am slowly trying to make my way through all of the neglected articles, but it isn't an easy task single-handedly; and nobody from the project seems to even offer to give a hand, I'm just left to work my butt off. No wonder I take time-outs now, so that I don't feel used. Wes Mouse | T@lk 03:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
How come was Maarja-Liis Ilus only 15 (born December 24th 1980) in 1996 if the contestants were supposed to be 16 when the competition was held? Were the rules different back then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:31, 28 July 2014 (UTC)