Talk:Russian Orthodox bell ringing

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Credits[edit]

First created by user:Arseni as a section in Campanology. Mukadderat 22:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Peal vs. Toll, and suggestions for organization[edit]

The first fact I learn about Eastern Orthodox bell ringing from this article is a negative one: the bells are not pealed. That's OK, since that may in fact be the most important thing (how would I know?), but I would feel much more enlightened if I knew what "pealing" was (as distinct from "tolling"). The article describes "tolling" but not "pealing", so I come away with the feeling that I have failed to grasp at least half of what the article's author obviously felt was the most important fact about the subject. :-( I would request that an expert on bell-ringing (-pealing, -tolling, -chiming...) give an explanation of the "pealing vs. tolling" distinction. I would suggest as a matter of style that the article be reorganized to put the affirmative information first: "In E.O.B.R, the bells are always *tolled*, never *pealed*. Tolling involves <whatever>, whereas pealing involves <something else>. The distinction is important because <something having to do with religious tradition and/or bell geometry>." Furthermore I would suggest that this be the second paragraph (or section), and a (new, presently missing) first paragraph be created that describes what E.O.B.R. is (as opposed to how it is done, which is what the article presently describes). For example: "E.O.B.R. is a stylized form of bell ringing that plays an important part in Eastern Orthodox religious practice. Its function is <whatever>, and it is practiced <at certain times, on feasts and in religious services -- needs to be filled in by an expert>." You get the idea (and a little of this kind of information is already in the article, but at the bottom). First tell what E.O.B.R. is, and why it's important, and then move to the specific details of how it is (and is not) done. The details should perhaps appear under a sub-head. I would make these edits if I were qualified to do so, but alas, I am not. --Logician1989 17:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

I apologize for the page move without previous discussion, but the move was very obvious. Unfortunately I have no experience to write this article (although I know enough to notice that this rich topic missing in the main Campanology article), but I added a link that will help to very much expand this article without the need to write about all East Orthodoxy. Mukadderat 01:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

On the recent renaming of this page[edit]

I have reverted the recent renaming of this page, for three reasons:

  1. The established usage of the expression 'Russian Orthodox' in English is to designate the Russian Orthodox Church - so there is no need to qualify the title on the grounds that 'Russian Orthodox' is ambiguous.
  2. Of groups which could possibly (on semantic grounds) be described as 'Russian Orthodox', only the Russian Orthodox Church has a significant and distinctive tradition of bell-ringing - so there is no need to qualify this article's title on the grounds that the title does not make clear the 'type' of bell-ringing discussed in the article.
  3. Grammatically, 'Russian Orthodox Church bell ringing' is awkward. 'Russian Orthodox' is adjectival and may be appended to 'bell ringing' to adjectivally qualify the latter. But 'Russian Orthodox Church' is not adjectival, and cannot be used to adjectivally qualify 'bell ringing'.

Best,Maxim662 20:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)