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Infobox people[edit]

I suggest replacing Anna Kournikova with Alina Kabaeva. She is well known and was more successfull in her area of expertise.Epoxyorlyx (talk) 10:11, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Why would you use a Tatar sportswoman to illustrate Russians? --176.195.162.81 (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The infobox[edit]

State all your objections here before planning to edit and revert. Khazar (talk) 00:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

  • I add people as in case of other etnic groups (for instance Ukrainian). It has 25 people. If there is any question, you can change some people to other. --Glovacki (talk) 06:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I add: Leo Tolstoy, Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Anton Chekhov, Feodor Chaliapin, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Andrei Sakharov, Lev Yashin, Vladimir Vysotsky. --Glovacki (talk) 07:14, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
That's not relevant. The Ukrainians page is monitored by nationalists who serve no purpose on Wikipedia. Your changes do not benefit the article at all. Khazar (talk) 00:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • What do you have against my addition? --Glovacki (talk) 07:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Everything. This edit of yours is unconstructive and serves no purpose to the article. The number of people in the infobox isn't as important as you think. The people represented is what matters. I oppose your change and I'll give you a week to create and establish a consensus. If can't do so, then I'll simply revert. Khazar (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Since you haven't established a consensus, I've reverted your irrelevant edit. Khazar (talk) 17:09, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Soviet Cinema[edit]

State all your supporting points for this irrelevant information to be re-added. Khazar (talk) 00:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

The infobox redux[edit]

The infobox seems to be a target of a new edit war. I have protected it for a week so to reach some consensus. Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


General principles[edit]

The infobox have a number of conflicting purposes:

  • The people there are some sort of a bragging list, showing different contributions of Russians to the world;
  • At the same time this is supposed to show how an average Russian looks like (and typical variations of the norm)
  • The pictures should be of reasonable quality and copyright-free.

Thus, the people in the infobox should be:

  • World-famous, preferably household names known to an average en-Wikipedia reader (American or British high school student or graduate). Like e.g. Mendeleev, Leo Tolstoy or Tchaikovsky.
  • Usually cause positive connotations both in the West and in Russia. That excludes e.g. Ivan IV, Lenin, Brezhnev, Gorbachev or Putin.
  • Self-considered ethnic Russian - that excludes e.g. Boris Pasternak (a Jew) or Stanislav Richter (Baltic German).
  • Not being of very unusual appearance. Some people thinks that this e.g. excludes Pushkin, as his African ancestry is not usual for Russians even in the modern times and was extremely unusual in 19th century.
  • Have a good quality picture unquestionably copyright-free.
  • We should provide a balanced mix of genders, epochs, occupations.
  • The number of the pictures is limited. 16 is OK, 20 maybe OK, more seems to be excessive.

Any other considerations? Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Current version[edit]

Alexander Newski.jpg
Peter der-Grosse 1838.jpg
Lomonosovportrait.jpg
Suvorov Alex V.jpg
DIMendeleevCab.jpg
Oleg losev.jpg
Aleksandr Prokhorov.jpg
S.P. Korolev.jpg
Marina Tsvetaeva by Shumov, Paris 1925.jpg
Alexander Stepanovich Popov.jpg
L.N.Tolstoy Prokudin-Gorsky.jpg
Ivan Pavlov NLM3.jpg
RIAN archive 2410 Marshal Zhukov speaking.jpg
Convert ru kosmos077.jpg
Anna Kournikova-Bagram Airfield 2009.jpg
Anna pavlova -c. 1905.jpg

No principal objections but:

Anonymous version[edit]

Alexander Newski.jpg
Peter der-Grosse 1838.jpg
Lomonosovportrait.jpg
Suvorov Alex V.jpg
DIMendeleevCab.jpg
Oleg losev.jpg
Aleksandr Prokhorov.jpg
4ertok.jpg
Marina Tsvetaeva by Shumov, Paris 1925.jpg
Alexander Stepanovich Popov.jpg
Vasily Perov - Портрет Ф.М.Достоевского - Google Art Project.jpg
L.N.Tolstoy Prokudin-Gorsky.jpg
RIAN archive 2410 Marshal Zhukov speaking.jpg
Anna Kournikova-Bagram Airfield 2009.jpg
Porträt des Komponisten Pjotr I. Tschaikowski (1840-1893).jpg
Ivan Pavlov NLM3.jpg
Tsiolkovsky.jpg
Anton Chekhov with bow-tie sepia image.jpg
Федя Шаляпин.jpg
Anna Pavlova dressing room.jpg
Alexander Solzhenitsyn in Moscow, December 1998.jpg
RIAN archive 25981 Academician Sakharov.jpg
LevYashin.JPG
Gagarin in Sweden.jpg
Vladimir Putin - 2006.jpg

I am strongly against inclusion of Vladimir Putin as he is a very controversial modern politician who a significant part of our readers consider a criminal. Also is Boris Chertok a household name in the west? According to his Russian wikipage Chertok was born in a Jewish family, is it disqualifies him from the box on an ethnic Russian article?

3 women among 25 people do not look right IMHO. The occupation mix is better IMHO but we have gone from 16 people to 25 is it excessive? Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

My suggestion for 16 people: Nevsky, Peter the Great, Lomonosov, Suvorov, Mendeleev, Tchaikovsky, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Tsvetaeva, Korolyov, Pavlov, Kandinsky, Pavlova, Sikorsky, Gagarin, Netrebko — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.222.229.1 (talkcontribs)

  • No problems with any of them. Have not checked that we have good copyright free images of the modern people. Other suggestions? Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose - For said reasons below.

  1. Sergei Korolev can be replaced. I can overlook that.
  2. Alexander Popov is a household name and recognized as one of the fathers of the radio. Although Oleg Losev isn't, I purposely put him in because his contributions are tremendous despite being largely unknown.
  3. Suvorov is though to have been 1/4 Armenian. I believe that the general rule should be that someone is at least 1/2 Russian.
  4. The gender gap is even larger with you proposition so I don't see why you're objecting to a problem that you're seeking to escalate.
  5. Finding a non-controversial Russian leader is very hard. Which one isn't filled with controversy?
  6. The ideal size should be 3x5 or 4x4. The only featured article with an infobox about ethnic groups features that style.

Khazar (talk) 06:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Dostoyevsky[edit]

He's missing from the famous writers under "Culture" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.161.234.125 (talk) 04:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)