Talk:Ruud Gullit

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Former good article nominee Ruud Gullit was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Departures[edit]

I find this article is still lacking some significant information. The current article does not deal with the various conflicts Gullit created throughout his career: he walked out multiple times from the Dutch national team (only one such incident is mentioned in the article). In addition, he created a conflict with several of his coaches, amongst others with Bobby Robson while at PSV to force his departure to AC Milan. Also, as mentioned slightly throughout in the article he has walked out on a significant number of his contracts prematurely due to "personal reasons", the latest being at LA Galaxy. I think this deserves updating and possible a separate section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.248.249.204 (talk) 06:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/blackflash/profile_gullit.html

and this FIFA magazine article

http://www.fifa.com/en/regulations/magazine/index/0,1569,103406,00.html?articleid=103406

state that he was born in Surinam, not Amsterdam.


- He was born in Amsterdam from Surinam parents. Jeroen.

Anyone know why he changed his name to Ruud Gullit, when he was apparently called Ruud Dil?--Ukdan999 20:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

His mother was not married to his father that's why he took his mothers last name at first. Later he changed it to his fathers last name. --84.30.97.7 15:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
He hasn't changed his name, his name is still Dil in all official papers, and he still signs with Ruud Dil. He took the name from his father as he didn't think Dil sounded like a pro. footballer. --Dhirad 21:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been trying in vain to add to the box Gullit's time as coach of Feyenoord but for some reason I'm not foing it properly. It would be good if someone with some expertise could add it.

I have added the managerial info for Feyenoord to the box. --Lomedae 03:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Why describe his mother as his father's 'mistress'? This is a rather pejoritave and judgemental way to describe the relationship with no apparent justification. How about something neutral like, "Gullit was born in Amsterdam to Ria Dil from Amsterdam's Jordaan district and George Gullit, an Afro-Surinamese migrant. His birth was registered in the name of Ruud Dil." 193.173.249.1 (talk) 12:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Dubious Information[edit]

Caps and goal figures in the article likely contain European cup/Domestic cup data in addition to Domestic League data (this is very certain based on this user's previous edits containing similar information [1]. Please correct this issue and leave a note here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alfmaster#Footballers.27_European_goals, to warn this person about putting improper information on Wikipedia. --Palffy 21:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

expand after football[edit]

Please someone who has better knowledge of what gullit does these days expand this new section I created otherwise it should be deleted along with the mention of his TV show as it should definitely not be under managerial career.

I have put the info in the right area for now. I will expand/correct this later. --Lomedae 03:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


Grammar[edit]

Sethacus, I reverted your change of the were/was in relation to Chelsea. In England sports teams are referred to in the plural, so "Chelsea were", though I realise that in America it is the singular "Chelsea was". Given that Chelsea are an English club (and Wikipedia does not prefer American English over English) I have reverted it to the English style.Comme 08:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Dates at clubs on infobox[edit]

Think these might want looking at. Also seems to contradict article a little. If I could remember back to the days of watching Football Italia I would put the confirmed details in. Might be wrong but it looks a little off.Londo06 12:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

GA fail[edit]

I'm sorry, but I cannot pass the article as this time. Here are some things to fix before renomination at WP:GAC:

  • The article has been quick failed due to inadequate referencing. There are entire sections with one or no references. It is important, especially in a bio of a living person to source everything, especially personal information.
  • The lead needs to be expanded to better summarize all the main points of the article. See WP:LEAD.
  • Individual years and months should not be wikilinked. I see that some link to "____ year in football (soccer)", which is fine, but not all of them do.
  • There are a few exceptions, but most numbers under 100 should be spelled out.
  • Paragraphs should be more than one or two sentences.
  • There are two headings entitled "Honours". Either combine them, or pick new names.
  • The websites in the references section should be formatted using the Template:cite web.

Good luck. Nikki311 04:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


Ethnicity[edit]

I still don't understand why the "Afro-Caucasian people" category is not appropriate, while Gullit's status as a multicultural icon is duly referenced ? Wedineinheck (talk) 14:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The key to understanding it may be to consider whether "Afro-Caucasian" means the same as "multicultural icon". If you come up (as I do) with the fact that they mean different things, then you will maybe get it. To have this category I would want to see verifiable third party sources discussing him as an Afro-Caucasian. Failing that, and per WP:BLP I'm afraid it cannot be included. --John (talk) 20:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Rudi Dil[edit]

His legal name is Rudi Dil, not Ruud Dil like the article says. Vernoeming (talk) 14:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)