Talk:Ryan Higa/Archive 1

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Self published

The only self-published sources I see are their YouTube videos, which are referenced for their descriptions. I do not believe they are being used inappropriately. I want to remove the tag, but I'd like some input first. Airplaneman talk 15:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree and have removed the tag. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, i just got my wikipedia up and wanted to ask you how to make that User: come off my name. --12.97.13.98 (talk) 05:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

removal of unreferenced text

  • section 'Videography': not a single reference to any video: how I know, may be someone invented a dozen of titles, just for kicks.
  • section 'copyright violation': not a single reference which discusses copyvio/removal: only links to youtube videos.
  • Section "background": no references about "success, or "series", only lilks to youtube with edit comment "The following reference proves that the video is private and that it garnered much success because of the 18 mln" - this constiti]utes original reseaarch. Laudak (talk) 16:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Section 'Ninja Melk' - only link to video, no references to any test which discusses it and supports the wikipedia text.

Numerous restoration of unreferenced information constitutes grave violation of wikipedia policies. Laudak (talk) 16:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

First of all, if any one is gravely violating policy, it is you. The videography text has been restored by several established editors and you have been told why multiple times. You have ignored these explanations and unilaterally reverted. This is called edit warring and IS against policy.
Furthermore, it is absolutely untrue that simply facts - like a summary of video contents - have to be sourced to third party sources. If you don't believe the descriptions, feel free to watch the videos and verify it yourself. However, you insistence of third party sourcing is not supported by policy.
As to the other sections, the copyright violation section properly doesn't belong, although it is true. Most of the rest of the info is appropriately sourced to primary sources. Again, the use of primary sources, while not ideal, certainly is acceptable. If you don't believe me, see WP:PRIMARY which I quote here for convenience:
Citing a video for a video's plot is exactly analogous to citing a novel for the novel's plot. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the Ninja Melt section as it gave undo weight to that video. (It wasn't OR though.) I have reworded some lines to remove the slight hint of OR and flagged the copyvio section for needing better refs. I will add some refs later.
Finally, I would like to point out that being unreferenced is insufficient reason to delete text. If it was, we wuld have to delete half our articles as being completely unreferenced. The correct thing to do is remove unreferenable text and false text, but not to remove true but unreferenced text. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Laudak, while I respect your views, I cannot say that I agree with them. Here's the stuff I was looking at when I talked to you earlier:
  1. WP:UCS
  2. WP:IAR?
  3. WP:PSTS
  4. WP:WIP
I was going to refer to them if you responded, but you didn't until now, so I thought it would be the perfect time to share. The first two are not official policies; rather, they are rules of thumb. I fail to see how removing the information helps the encyclopedia. The info cited with primary sources was by no means "controversial", as it was plainly a description of the videos Nigahiga posted. The info removed was by no means analytical, controversial (in the sense that people would disagree over the facts) nor unsourced. The info removed helps the reader learn more about Ryan and Sean. About Nigahiga's copyright violations: I cited my own channel to prove that the videos were removed (I had them favorited). That is hard to contest. May I please restore the info on the grounds that it will help the encyclopedia? Thank you, Airplaneman talk 21:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
ThaddeusB: I see you removed the ref to my channel. I'm not versed on that policy; was it inappropriate in the sense that it was to a YouTube channel? Regards, Airplaneman talk 21:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to put the removed sections in my sandbox for holding for now; anyone is welcome to improve upon it. Airplaneman talk 22:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, it's back on :). I'll help searching for refs. Airplaneman talk 22:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Move Article

Since Ryan, Sean, and the rest of the group is known as Nigahiga, isn't it better for the article to be titled Nigahiga? Mr. C.C. (talk) 22:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

That seems like a good idea to me. TNXMan 02:10, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I was trying to figure out why the article wasn't created there to begin with--it looks like this page started as a page for their movie, and morphed into this. Anthony Padilla and Ian Hecox are both covered as Smosh.--Milowent (talk) 06:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know how to d the talk page, but we need to add Off The Pill: 2009 and I Broke My Nexus One to the video list. Also what's the difference between "private" and "removed"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.125.137 (talk) 22:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Airplaneman talk 21:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
As I understand it, "private" is for friends only, while "removed" means it's been taken off the site. Airplaneman talk 21:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Videography

Result: Oppose, if you deleted the videography section, then you would have to delete roles for actors, discography of recording artists, books of authors, etc.. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 21:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I really think this section needs to be pared down, if not removed entirely. Why does this group have a blurb for every single video they've released? It's unnecessary and a borderline advertisement. TNXMan 16:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Its fine the way it is. If you start changing or removing that section, then you need to do it with all YouTuber articles. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 17:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't know of any articles that list a videography like this one. To which ones specifically were you referring? TNXMan 19:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
KevJumba, Baba Ali, and Chris Crock (Although selected, still has some up) to name a few. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 20:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't really see why. Authors have lists of their books. Actors have lists of their roles. Why shouldn't videographers have lists of their videos? --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Exactly, it's the work they have done just like the roles an actor has done whether it be in movies, television, or stage. Or the albums an artist has put out. It is not necessary to pare down a list for no reason. So by Tnxman's thinking of removing a videographer's work, then would should remove an actor's roles, an recording artists discography, an author's books they have written, etc. as it is borderline advertisement. It's only advertisement if it is written in such a style. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm on the side of keeping it, per ThaddeusB and Fishhead2100. Airplaneman 20:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion on this talk page.

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Edit request from Atomforyou, 1 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I'd like to change the amount of videos he has from 56 to 58, this can be verified here: http://www.youtube.com/user/nigahiga#p/a I've also noticed that "How to be Gangster", a video which had been removed for copyright violations, was put back up on Youtube, although the circumstances around this is uncertain. EDIT: That'll work, I guess. Atomforyou (talk) 18:03, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Partly done:changed content to "their video number has dropped down signifigantly" Spitfire19 (Talk) 18:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

How to be emo, gangster, and ninja are back on nigahiga's channel.was comfirmed by ryan higa on youtube. (YABA99)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaba99 (talkcontribs) 17:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from MrsHiga, 3 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

The videos: How to be Ninja, Gangsta and Emo are no longer on private. I know since I am a super awesome nigahiga fan. Please change this as I would prefer if Ryan came to see his page on Wikipedia it was not full of tiny mistakes about him and others.

Thank you

MrsHiga (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done:: trivia.Spitfire19 (Talk) 20:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I Had already mentioned this above (YABA99) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaba99 (talkcontribs) 16:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Plan 9

Ryan is part of the cast for plan 9... the new horror... should be mentioned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.59.207.247 (talk) 21:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Source? Airplaneman 19:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Looked at the page for Plan 9 From Outer Space, it was mentioned there, and cited this source: http://www.plan9movie.com/news.html I'm not sure whether it's acceptable or not, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atomforyou (talkcontribs) 00:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Field of study

The article says he is studying film, yet according to West Hawaii Today he is studying nuclear medicine. I have also heard from others he desired to study science in college. Where is the source that said he was studying film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.19.159.69 (talk) 04:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, the current one's unsourced so I'm changing it. Thanks for catching the error! Airplaneman Review? 03:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Turns out he switched majors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbo3JxUdimQ&NR=1 Airplaneman Review? 04:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I've been proven wrong then, thanks for clearing up the confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.155.146.207 (talk) 15:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Videography Removed

Why was the videography removed? We had a discussion about this and the result was keep. I say put the videography back and have a familiar discussion because it seems as though no discussion was made a second time about removing it. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 03:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

It was made in this edit. I think the edit summary, "unsourced opinion and commentary", was at least partially misleading, given that there was a source presented. Airplaneman 03:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
See here for the previous discussion. Airplaneman 03:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
And now it has been added back. Airplaneman 03:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I just added it back because removing a videography would be like removing an actors roles, a musicians discography, an authors books, etc.. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 03:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, the edit summary should have been "no secondary sources indicating this is anything more than original research based on primary sourcing" ~ Active Banana ( bananaphone 12:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
May you take a look at ThaddeusB's first post here? This is my reasoning as well. What better place to find a list of videos than YouTube itself? I do think the videography should be reinstated, but without the blurbs, which is what I think you were removing it for. How does that sound? Airplaneman 16:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm on the fence about it. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
A musician's article will not list every single ever recorded, but will frequently list all albums recorded, or singles that charted. Likewise, an television actor's article will not include every episode that they have appeared in but will list the series. Is there a similar way that we can look at the videos? It seems to me that listing every video is the equivilent of listing every episode/single rather than the series/albums/individually released charting singles. Active Banana ( bananaphone 19:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I think listing every video would be fine. I think fishhead was thinking more along the lines of an actor's listing of movies/films they have acted in. You do have a point, though. If we decide not to list every video, I don't think we need a section at all. Instead, we cover his videos in more detail in the "content" section. Here, how about I draft it below:

Advertisement spoofs
  • The iPod Human
  • The ShamWOOHOO!
  • ChildrensBop!
  • The Portobello Mushroom Burger
  • The Big Bouncing Inflatable Green Ball
  • Hook on Fonik
  • I broke my Nexus One!
  • BEST DANCE CREW
  • The Snuggo
Dear Ryan
  • Dear Ryan – Defeating a Ninja
  • Dear Ryan – Superhero
  • Dear Ryan – Makeup Guru
"How to be" series
  • How to be Ninja
  • How to be Gangster
  • How to be Emo
  • How to be Nerd (private)
  • How to be UFC Fighter (private)
  • How to be at the Premiere
Lip-synced songs
  • You're Beautiful (audio swapped)
  • Circle Circle Dot Dot (removed)
  • I'm a Gangster (removed)
  • Wannabe (removed)
  • Fergalicious (removed)
  • Savin' Me (removed)
  • My Heart Will Go On (removed)
  • Destiny's Angels (removed)
  • Milk and Cereal (removed)
  • Numa Numa (removed)
  • Irreplaceable (removed)
  • London Bridges (removed)
  • Barbie Girl (removed)
  • I Love Them Hoes (removed)
  • Promiscuous (removed)
  • I Just Want You To Know (removed)
  • Sukiyaki (private)
Movies in Minutes series
  • Movies in Minutes: Titanic
  • Movies in Minutes: The Grudge
  • Movies in Minutes: Twilight
  • Movies in Minutes: Harry Potter
  • Movies in Minutes: X-Men Origins: Wolverine
  • Movies in Minutes: Transformers: Revenge of the Household Objects
  • Movies in Minutes: Saw 12
  • Movies in Minutes: New Moon
Nigahiga songs
  • Yank Dat Cameltoe
  • Sorry Fans, Blame My ADD
  • So Damn Stupid!
  • I Miss You Soulja Boy
  • The Ninja Glare
  • Tweet Whore.
  • I'm a Chingstah!
Ninja Melk
  • Ninja Melk Preview
  • Ninja Melk Trailer
  • Ninja Melk
Off the Pill
  • Off The Pill: Stink People
  • Off The Pill: Farts
  • Off The Pill: Nosy People
  • Off The Pill: 2009
  • Off The Pill: BIEBER FEVER
Rants
  • Ranting about Music (private)
  • Rant on Liars (private)
  • Rant on Comments (private)
  • Rant on Nosy People (private)
  • Rant on Stink People (private)
  • Rant on ADD (private)
  • Violence (private)
  • Rant on Asian Dramas
  • Rant on Music (Remade)
Ryan and Sean's Not So Excellent Adventure
  • The Super Secret!
  • Ryan and Sean's NSEA
Skitzo
  • Introductions
  • The Halloween Story
  • The PSA
  • Valentine's Day
  • Despicable Me
The Ryan Higa Show
  • The Ryan Higa Show: Helga Fawntinilla (private)
  • The Ryan Higa Show: Milo Ventimiglia
Other
  • Adjusting the Sails (private)
  • The Number 21 (private)
  • Beautiful Girls [Ghetto Style] (private)
  • Mind Geek (private)
  • Munky Tag (private)
  • The Stalking Mangina Preview
  • Subliminal Messaging (private)
  • Hilo Puppets
  • Vote for REVO
  • A Message to All Haters
  • Sean Returns!
  • Youtube Live- Wth is a VLog
  • Thanksgving Campaign
  • Copyrighted
  • Nigahiga Tee-Shirts (private)
  • Why Chris Brown Beat Rihanna
  • Will Ferrell Calling me out? (private)
  • Word of the Day- Pwned
  • 1,000,000 Subcribers
  • House
  • 2,000,000 Subscribers!
  • I wanna play a game (private)
  • Dude vs. Wild – The Desert
  • braces?! (private)
  • Things I Like (private)
  • REVO (private)
  • sponsored (private)
  • 5 Nigahiga facts (private)
  • Asians Wrestle (private)
  • BEST CREW vs POREOTICS
Removed, might be put back in: a 26 minute short film about ninjas. The plot revolves around Lapchung (played by Bryson Murata) hiring Ryan and Sean to become ninjas to catch the evil Bokchoy (played by Tim Enos) and his henchwoman, Gina (played by Tarynn Nago).<ref name="ninjamelk">{{cite web|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIz3cb_igD4|title=Ninja Melk|last=Higa|first=Ryan|coauthors=Fujiyoshi, Sean|date=24 August 2009|work=Video|publisher=[[YouTube]]|accessdate=29 November 2009}}</ref>

How's that? Airplaneman 19:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I still think that it is excessive detail, but in a choice between the current and this, I could live with this. Active Banana ( bananaphone 22:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Going back to Banana's first comment and I all know is that nobody, including me, has bothered to add the content of the videos into the main body of the article. If that was wanting to have been done, then it should have done so all along instead of removing the videography out right. In regards to saying that artists don't have every single listed, but a lot of artists have singles listed that never charted. All I am saying is that Nigahiga uses YouTube to put out videos and is the top channel on YouTube or one of them. So not having any videography would be dumb. After all, a lot of other YouTubers have their videography listed. But until everything is incorporated into the body of the article, then it will have to stay as it currently is. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 14:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright; I will implement the above draft, as it is agreed that it is an improvement over the current one. Airplaneman 16:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

My first reaction to the videography section is that it seems to be a little over the top. I've read a few of the comments in the discussion above, and wanted to add my thoughts. On the one hand, I get the argument that this is like an actor's filmography, or a musician's discography. On the other, though, those feel like larger bodies of work - a collection of scenes or tracks. This particular section feels more like a list of short scenes. Unfortunately, though, I can't figure out a better way to parse this out and have a list of his larger bodies of work other than to list by category. Does anybody have any thoughts on this, or am I just repeating a larger discussion? Foregone conclusion t|c 16:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

If you look at KevJumba's page, you will see that every video is listed. So if you are going widdle it down, then you might as well do it for all. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 16:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Sarut Indramangala

Is he in any videos? I don't remember seeing him. Or maybe they didn't mention his name. Atomforyou (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't think so. What does this have to do with the article, BTW? Airplaneman 20:52, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
He's mentioned as part of the Yabo Crew. Atomforyou (talk) 20:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for catching that - I've removed it as vandalism. Airplaneman 20:58, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Atomforyou (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-members of Yabo

Fernando Lorenzo, Mason Turner, and Bryson Murata aren't mentioned in source 6, therefore their names are being removed. I'm having trouble finding out who put that, though. Atomforyou (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Bryson Murata was a new member of Nigahiga, or did "Ninja Melk," when Ryan Higa did videos with Sean Sean Fujiyoshi, Tim Enos, Tarynn Nagos, and others. Nobody said he was apart of the Yabo Crew. You shouldn't have removed him outright. You should have moved his name so it wasn't associated with the Yabo Crew. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 16:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

So....

So this guy, ShaneDawson, and Fred have pages, but they deleted raywilliamjohnson's page? Why is that? I've never even heard of this guy, and Ray was the #1 most subscribed YouTuber before "nigahiga!" --The Wing Dude, Musical Extraordinaire (talk) 02:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Equals Three and this. BTW I heard of this guy long before RWJ; this argument is therefore moot because depending on who you ask, you'll get varying answers. Airplaneman 03:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I gotcha. Still think he should have a page imo, but I agree with and understand all arguments why he can't have one. And I apologize for using the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS thing in discussion.--The Wing Dude, Musical Extraordinaire (talk) 04:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
If you can find more then a few trivial mentions in reliable independent sources then maybe he might be able to have an article. The CNN article is only about the controversy about the items he had on iTunes. Sure it's good to have an in an article, but not enough. If you do an article in your own sandbox or namespace getting people to work on it, then maybe after consensus it can then be moved into his own namepsace. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 15:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

sean

you should add something about sean moving — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.130.10 (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Need a change

Nigahiga is now the 2nd most subscribed on Youtube, beaten by Ray William Johnson. Would someone mind changing everything? I've said the same on Ray William Johnson's page. Thanks!Unobliging (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)