Talk:Sacerdotalism

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Lutheran slant[edit]

I question the use of the Lutheran Cyclopedia as the source to define Roman Catholic sacerdotalism. Outdated though it is, the Catholic Encyclopedia would be a more pertinent (and readily available) source. I see references to the Augsburg Confession, but it's hard to discern what content derives from this source. Also, the reference to "Old Testament" sacerdotalism misses the point of distinguishing between sacerdotal Judaism and Rabbinic Judaism, for which see the highly readable article. "Old Testament" betrays a Christian POV. I'm guessing that the article was created by either a Lutheran or someone whose interest in this subject originated in Lutheran theology — which is fine; just means the article needs to be expanded with a more global perspective. Cynwolfe (talk) 20:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I attempted to remove some of the bias by: 1- quoting the definition from Webster's dictionary, 2- changing the wording of the main sections (ie eliminating the phrase "Christian objection") thus presenting both sides as equally valid, 3- rewording some of the Protestant section to be more generic and less specifically Lutheran except in the paragraph dealing with Lutheranism per se, 4- and also added the fact that the Eastern Orthodox would be similar to Rome so as not to frame this issue entirely from a Western European view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.20.114.20 (talk) 23:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Using "Christian opposition" in contradistinction to "Roman Catholic belief" along with saying that "Generally, All Christians...oppose sacerdotalism" implies that Catholics are not to be considered Christian. Though this may be a theological position, in terms of unbiased history of religion is simply not true and should not be phrased as such. Secondly, the article does not address the wider Christian world in Eastern and Oriental Christianity as well as groups such as Anglo-Catholics who, though not Roman, would hold often to a sacerdotal theology of ordination. This article reads more as a "Rome vs Lutheran" article then a treatise on the issue itself. With the top commenter, I as well am skeptical a about using the definition of sacerdotalism from a Lutheran source dating 1899. It seems a more modern and unbiased source should be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.77.121.41 (talk) 05:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Priestcraft[edit]

I think that the subject extends to what has been termed "priestcraft", in a derogatory sense, equally acceptable, because Protestantism in general (not just Lutheranism) oppose the idea of Christian priests in favour of the "universal priesthood of believers" which includes the role of ministers, which is not the same as that of "priests".

Agreed; the article as it stands is deficient because it suggests that Lutherans are the only Christian branch with any significant objection to Roman Catholic sacerdotalism. FC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.210.168 (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

On "Priestcraft" one could refer to William Howitt, A Popular History of Priestcraft in all ages and nations, 1834.


pcastellina (talk) 08:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)