Talk:Sadaharu Oh

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Playing Career[edit]

Poo-T, I didn't think that section was too POV, seems like a pretty basic perspective on player popularity - and interesting at that. Thoughts? aww 13:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sadaharu Oh vs Barry Bonds homerun remark. You can't compare what Sadaharu Oh did against Japanese only competition and in smaller ball parks where homeruns are easier to hit. Sadaharu Oh's homeruns only have meaning in the Japanese baseball leagues. Sadaharu Oh would not have done as well playing MLB in the U.S. at that time in history. An example comparison if Oh played MLB in the U.S.- http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/analysisjalbright08.html (the evaluation gives Oh only 527 home runs if he played MLB in the U.S.) Its like comparing minor league accomplishments to the major leagues. Japan has some good players, but they were not going against the same level of international competition, pitching (at the time), and larger parks as the U.S. players. There is also controversy over Japanese managers, pitchers, and fans promoting and protecting Oh's home run records based on nationalism and racism. We don't compare Japanese basketball records to NBA records in the U.S. do we? So why compare Bond's homeruns? The comment looks like something anti-Bonds people would use to smite and belittle. The comparison is unnecessary and should be removed.

Managing Career[edit]

I'm thinking about adding back a little more of the deleted description of the WBC. I'm not sure why it was taken out; it seems like a pretty big deal that Japan got by Korea after losing to them twice, as it would have been a really big deal had Japan lost to Korea. If there is a reason not to put a (shorter) version back, let me know. aww 16:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality[edit]

Oh's father is from mainland China, and Mother's is not from Japan. Oh had a chance to choose a nationality of PRC, ROC, or Japan. He've choosen ROC, so he is not a Chinese, but a Taiwanese holding the nationality of ROC.--Mochi 01:35, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So it's correct that despite his being born in Tokyo to a Japanese mother, he was never a Japanese citizen? -- Jonel | Speak 03:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote a wrong information. Before 1985, the Nationality law of Japan addmitted Japanese Nationality to child of Japanese father. So Oh could not choose Japanese nationality. But as a son of Japanese mother, he can stay in Japan. I don't know what kind of resident status he possesses now. --Mochi 18:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh's mother is a Japanese. She seceded from Japanese nationality in 1945 with her family. Oh's father is from mainland China. But, the then mainland China was Republic of China. Republic of China changed to only Taiwan since 1949. --220.150.117.118 28 May 2006


I was able to find this about Oh's ancestry http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=34003&page=3 :

"Oh's autobiography explicitly states his father told him about his (the father's) youth in a poor village in mainland China. Oh does have a Taiwanese passport, which is due to the politics of Japan means he couldn't have a Japanese one. Presumably, the passport is Taiwanese because his father supported the Chaing Kai-shek side in the Chinese Civil War rather than the Communists. That side came to rule Taiwan when the Communists ousted them from the mainland. It seems Oh's connection with Taiwan has everything to do with Asian politics and very little else.

Jim Albright"

Jim appears to be a highly credible source of information on Japanese baseball: http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/ --Jeff 20:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MLB Speculation[edit]

Removed the 527 HR number as the only source I could find to support it is one guy's personal number-crunching. If it can be sourced, please return it to the article. aww 21:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems fine to leave that comparison out, so long as readers are aware of the differences between playing conditions via the Baseball in Japan article. One person's number-crunching can be adequate depending upon the level of credibility. I don't know.24.30.247.212 (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proffesional Carear[edit]

Removed the unneccesarily derogatory section mocking the standard of Japanese baseball, including the ludicrously speculative suggestion that Oh would have recorded less than 200 homers in MLB. This section sounded more like the sort of thing that people say in a pub. It was also terribly worded (describing the Japanese league as "crappy"?) and gramatically incorrect.

Infobox[edit]

Is there any standard sports infobox that can be used instead of the MLB one? It looks pretty stupid to have his debut say "MLB Debut" when he never played there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obama Fan 08 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not Oh's father was Taiwanese[edit]

I find no information that explicitly says Oh's father came from Taiwan. The Chinese and Japanese wikipedia all suggest that he is a Chinese from the Zhejiang province. We need to either find reliable sources to support the claim that Oh's father came from Taiwan, or remove this claim at once. --K kc chan (talk) 21:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • It was a misunderstanding:
    • The father was from the Republic of China
    • But this was when Zhejiang Province was a part of the Republic of China
    • The person must have confused the Republic of China with Taiwan
    • WhisperToMe (talk) 20:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is his home run record repeatedly referred to as a "world record"[edit]

When it isn't? I repeatedly see things in this article like "world record in a top league", which is obviously a POV way of trying to draw equivalence between a Japanese league record and others, when the Japanese league's records are not comparable, as the parks and equipment are different and that players are less skilled. It is not a world record by any measure except that of Oh's fans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.29.215 (talk) 22:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can asterisk it if you like and provide your complaints using WP:RS but it's called a world record because that's precisely what it is. — LlywelynII 13:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh's single season HR record controversy.[edit]

I removed an entry attributing pitchers avoiding pitching to foreign players Randy Bass, Tuffy Rhodes and Alex Cabrera to "in accordance with an imperial decree from Emperor Showa. This practice was continued under Emperor Heisei" due to a lack of source on this allegation. This allegation linked two dead links to old Japan Times articles as sources. One 2013/09/06 article by Jason Coskrey, and one 2008/10/31 article by Robert Whiting. Although both articles are long since removed from the Japan Times website, snapshots from old internet archives show that neither writer at any point, makes any mention of any imperial decrees to protect Oh's record. An independent search of Japanese language sources similarly produces no evidence of such journalistic accusation. As it stands, there is zero source to this allegation that the Japanese monarchy was in any way involved in maintaining Oh's record. Oddman82 (talk) 11:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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