Talk:Sagittarius (astrology)

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Collapsing pre 2010 discussion

Sagittarius IS a mutable sign[edit]

Whoever said that Sagittarius is incompatible with water and earth signs because they are "mutable" is incorrect. While it is true that Sagittarius (as all fire - and air- signs) are not compatible with water and earth signs, this is actually due to the fact that water/earth signs are introverted feminine signs, which is NOT the same as 'mutable'. 'Mutable' actually has to do with the seasons the sign is in, and Sagittarius actually is a mutable sign itself. I can definitely source this - look it up anywhere - . I guess it is an easy mistake to make, as the word 'mutable' incorrectly leads one to think of the verb "to mute" and mistakenly associate it with 'femininity' or 'introvert', however, this is incorrect. Mutability in astrology has nothing to do with the sign's gender (masculininty/femininity). Sagittarius IS an extroverted masculine fire sign, yes, however, it is also one of the four mutable signs (Gemini is another one - and note that Gemini is NOT a water or earth sign either). Of course, also, the same applies to all other signs of all elements -not all water and earth signs are mutable. I personally cannot be bothered to change it - I'm too lazy - so can someone PLEASE correct this? If it is not corrected very soon, then I guess I'll do it myself, but I really hope I won't have to. :-) Cheers. Ammau (talk) 01:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


Last line reads "The dates that the Sun traverses the sign of Virgo according to the Sidereal system are therefore (generally) between December 16 to January 14 each year." Are these dates correct/ And on this page this should refer to sidereal Sagittarius not Virgo. I am not sure how to edit it without affecting the template, if it is on a template. Robert Currey talk 14:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't in a template but I changed it, so not problem now. -- Zac Δ talk! 06:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


I added quite a bit of content but notice that this page doesn't have a mythology section. Most other pages do. Is anyone able to contribute to this? -- Zac Δ talk! 06:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Notable People from History born when the Sun was in Sagittarius[edit]

Please see the discussion on the Aries talk page regarding the suggestion that the list of notable persons should only include historical names (no living persons) and should not extend beyond 20 names. Currently the Sagittarius list has 16 entries:

Billy the Kid, Ludwig van Beethoven, Tycho Brahe, Winston Churchill, Noel Coward, Walt Disney, Jimi Hendrix, Little Richard, Bruce Lee, C. S. Lewis, Mary Queen of Scots, Harpo Marx, John Milton, Nostradamus, Josef Stalin, and Mark Twain.

Please use this section to propose additions or amendments to the main article content.

Removing cruft[edit]

I have removed some WP:INUNIVERSE content, which appeared to treat whimsical astrological "compatibility" with a straight face, and I also did some slight rephrasing to make it clear that some claims are what astrologers believe, rather than statements of fact. Please refrain from kneejerk reverting; if you feel you have a good reason for the old wording to be in the article, feel free to discuss it here or at WP:FTN. bobrayner (talk) 23:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but your edit removed much much more than you claimed, and since the information was referenced and explaining astrological beliefs, the use of a negative adjective does not justify an edit like that, not a page like this - which is here to explain and reporting the use of this sign in astrology. Before removing content which is reliable and verifiable, please discuss here any comment you don't like and explain (properly) your reasons why. Be specific, so other editorss can understand your objections and consider if it is possible to adapt the text to accomodate them.-- Zac Δ talk! 08:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
The material you reverted back into the article (diff) is not encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not available for in-universe fancruft copied from astrological websites or books. Eventually, these articles will be made encyclopedic, and the result may be more satisfactory if astrological enthusiasts were to participate in the required cleanup. Beliefs relating to Sagittarius belong in the article, if kept in moderation (to be included, per WP:DUE, a belief would need to be verifiably commonly held by astrologers). To avoid clumsy writing, it is not necessary to label every belief as "astrologers believe that...", but it is not satisfactory to use Wikipedia's voice to blithely assert things like "Sagittarius is seasonally associated with the transition from autumnal moisture to mid-winter dryness...describing an instinct toward change and an easy ability to modify or adapt to the demands of the environment". The table of "Definitions and Associations" is pure fancruft. Perhaps half of the content could be written in prose form (no table) in one suitable article. Johnuniq (talk) 10:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Notable people[edit]

Another list of famous people-- (talk) 16:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Notable persons born under the Sign of Sagittarius include: Woody Allen, Bruce Lee, Samuel L. Jackson, Billy the Kid, Styles P, Trey Songz Jay-Z, Christina Aguilera, Brad Pitt, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Richard Pryor, C. S. Lewis, Winston Churchill, Walt Disney, Ronnie Radke, Nero, Mary Queen of Scots, John Milton, Ludwig van Beethoven, Nostradamus, Jimi Hendrix, Josef Stalin, Tycho Brahe, and Little Richard, Samuel Clemens.

Redirection of Western Zodiac signs[edit]

On 22 October 2012 the contents of the articles for the individual signs of the western zodiac (Pisces (astrology) etc.) were removed and replaced with redirects to Astrological sign#Western zodiac signs. These edits were made by User:Dominus Vobisdu with the edit summary: Unsourced and unsourceable cruft. No justification for stand-alone article. This did not seem to follow a community discussion.

Following concerns raised at the Reference Desk I will, after posting this, restore the articles to the form they were in immediately before their redirection. At least some of the articles seem to have been significantly reduced in size also prior to this redirection, however I have not reverted these changes.

Because I am sure editors may wish to discuss this (perhaps to reinstate the redirects, or make other changes to these articles), however a discussion spread among the talk pages twelve articles in question would be too dissipated, I suggest Talk:Astrological_sign#Redirection_of_Western_Zodiac_signs as a centralised discussion location. An editor with more experience than I in Wikipedia policies may wish to move this discussion to a better location. LukeSurl t c 15:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)