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A note[edit]

Surely we need to differentiate between St Kitts, the island and St Kitts and Nevis a political entity brought into existence in 1967 - 1971. Harry Potter

Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board[edit]

I would like to announce the establishment of the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 04:10 (UTC)

Effects of Hurricane Georges[edit]

The article currently states: "In late September 1998, Hurricane Georges caused approximately $445 million in damages and limited GDP growth for the year." $445 million in damages to a nation of 40,000 people, and the only effect was "limited GDP growth"? (The article on Economy of Saint Kitts and Nevis describes it as a "sharp slowdown.") Isn't this something of an understatement? Could someone who knows more about the hurricane's effects rephrase and expand this part of the article? --LostLeviathan 04:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

It now says : In late September 1998, Hurricane Georges caused approximately $412,104,972.76 .... In my view, this is not "approximately" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.182.220 (talk) 02:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Constitution[edit]

The introductory paragraph makes no sense. Initially it describes the country as a "unitary island nation", and then it goes on to describe it as a "federated state". It can't be both!

Can someone who actually knows something about the politics of this country please sort this out.

Silverhelm 01:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

The Federation is governed by a constitution that is unique. Wikipedia has St. Kitts Nevis listed under unitary states, but if, by definition, unitary state means that subnational units are not constitutionally-embedded, then this may be a questionable categorization. Multiple levels of government do exist in the Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis, and they are constitutionally embedded. The constitutionally-embedded subnational government of Nevis possesses formal and informal access in the decision making process of the national government. In addition, the administrative autonomy and fiscal discretion of the subunit of Nevis is constitutionally protected. The island of Nevis has a constitutionally protected right to seceed under section 113. A referendum on independence is held in Nevis only.(In 1997, Nevis legislators authorized a referendum on the issue of secession from St Kitts, but the referendum on Nevis independence failed to achieve the two-thirds majority required for the island to secede). However, the other subnational unit, the island of St. Kitts, does not have a constitutionally protected right to secede from the federation and has no subnational government separate from the national government. I'd suggest sticking with whatever label the federation has chosen for itself. Do they actually say "unitary nation" on the official website for the country? If not, then it should be changed here.

Internet[edit]

I've notice many web sites are based out of SK&N (especially gambling), it this purely nominal or does it have a positive effect on the local economy FancyPants 08:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Historically Barbados was supposed to remain the lead country for the OECS (or "small islands" of the UK -- e.g. outside of the two giants Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago0.) As such- much of the British infrastructure was placed in Barbados on behalf of those small countries, leaving many of the surrounding countries as economies that mainly depended on agriculture, in the mid '90s the United States along with their agriculture companies in Central America sued at the WTO that it was a monopoly for the Caribbean to be granted special access to the EU market. The WTO ruled in favour of the USA and Central America and the 'Bannana and sugar trade" from the soo-called small islands collapsed. As retaliation the EU sued the Unitied States for using the Caribbean as it's exclusive offshore sector and likewise won.

All of the Caribbean islands then started to employ the Bermuda and Cayman Islands business model of lowering the taxation on companies being based there. This has led to many soo called gambling companies chosing Antigua and Barbuda (which is currently suing the USA) and even Saint Kitts and Nevis. The islands are only ~ 4-5 hours outside of the United States and the banks of the Caribbean region are all mostly subsidaries of Canada(Which under various NAFTA rules) means US authorities can rather easily get banking information from the Caribbean. This means that Caribbean banks have some features (in banking) and better regulation then many other places overseas. So for this reason Casinos which pull in a lot of money and have to pay out money (lots of money turnover) pick the Caribbean. They need somewhere that's easy to operate and has special banking services rooted in North America. The level of taxation in the USA is higher on companies than in the Caribbean where they usually only charge something like 1-2% in direct tax. But usually charge you almost all tax in (VAT)-tax which is pretty much a sales-tax on everything. Since these islands are mostly small e.g. under 100,000 total people the 2% tax off a few million can easily pay for most government services. So in other words yes these offshore companies do contribute a lot to these economies. This offshore sector thing was created on the fly because of the dismantaling of all trade agreements these islands had with then developed countries. CaribDigita 20:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Nationality[edit]

What is the term for someone from Saint Kitts and Nevis?FreshFruitsRule 14:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The correct is Kittitians ("Kit-tish-an"), or Nevisians("Nee-vee-sion"), so say my friends from both isles and also as corroborated on ( http://www.gov.kn/default.asp?PageIdentifier=59#message )
3rd-paragraph under the header "Message from the St Kitts-Nevis Returning Nationals Association". CaribDigita 20:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

large prison population?[edit]

"The U.S. incarceration rate of 737 per 100,000 people in the highest, followed by 611 in Russia and 547 for St. Kitts and Nevis. In contrast, the incarceration rates in many Western industrial nations range around 100 per 100,000 people." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061209/ts_nm/usa_prisoners_dc Why would it be so high? Шизомби 18:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject[edit]

There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including Saint Kitts and Nevis, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know the act/amendment in 1987-1988 that had officially changed "St. Christopher" to "St. Kitts"?[edit]

Does anyone remember the exact act or amendment number that supposedly officially changed the name "St. Christopher" to "St. Kitts" in 1988 I think it was ?

I think this same act or amendment was the instrument that officially changed the country's name from "St. Christopher and Nevis" at the UN[] and the Commonwealth of Nations etc. instead to being listed as "St. Kitts and Nevis". Supposedly it superceded the 1983 constitution of independence. From what I researched so far, the United Nations gives the date of December 28th, 1986 when the official name listed with that organisation was changed from Saint Christopher and Nevis to Saint Kitts and Nevis. CaribDigita 22:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

dkfjk[edit]

what is the name given to st.kitt's —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.127.127 (talk) 14:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Nevis[edit]

How is Nevis pronounced, can someone write it in IPA please? :) McCharraigin (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I found out. It said on the separate Nevis page on which I hadn't looked before. McCharraigin (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hyphenated/Not[edit]

I've seen "Saint Kitts and Nevis" and I've seen "Saint Kitts-Nevis"...which is more appropriate, more standard, or more accepted? Elfred (talk) 05:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Etymology[edit]

Only one paragraph in this section is actually about etymology. 72.75.86.126 (talk) 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

English Convention[edit]

Should we go ahead and place a {{British English}} tag on this page? Conventions used here should be preserved I would think... ----FESmitty77 (talk) 17:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

That sounds appropriate. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 23:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Maps need upgrading[edit]

Are the maps for this page the best WP has to offer? You would think that after all of these years WP would by now have a standard set of quality maps for editors to use. The map in the info box is a sorry excuse and is barely discernible, even in full view its no bigger than a penny-candy wrapper. Why did its author even bother? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 08:50, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

About Economic Investment Topic[edit]

Hi friends,

Economic Investment is an important topic for the users who visit St. kitts and nevis page. I added topic with ref. link (for the users to get more info). Below is the content and ref. site. Let me know your thoughts on both content and ref. link. You should think on the basis of informative and helpful information b'coz that is for what wiki is here and serving.

Being one of the Caribbean islands, St. Kitts allows foreigners to obtain the status of St. Kitts citizen by means of a government sponsored investment program called Citizenship-by-Investment.[1] Established in 1984, St. Kitts’ citizenship program is the oldest economic citizenship program of this kind in the world. This well regulated, legitimate program has international approval and acceptance.

St. Kitts’ Citizenship-by-Investment program is unique in that it offers a plethora of benefits;[2]

Each candidate must go through several legal steps[3] and should complete certain legal requirements to get qualified for citizenship by investment program

In addition to this, in hopes of expanding tourism, the country hosts its annual St. Kitts Music Festival.

Wikipedia is here to be an encyclopaedia, not an advertising platform. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Which type of advertisement you suspect in the post? It is simply ref. link to find more authenticate info. (approved by St. Kitts Government). If you have other source in mind let me know. My purpose is to give related authenticate information to users. --Pure Soul 06:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The writing is written in a very promotional way. The bolding shows this clearly. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I can remove bold fonts not an issue. And which sentence you find promotional and not informative? Mentioned clearly. If you find this information as promotional whole the content is promotional.Removing content is not the way as it prevent users from important topic related to St. kitts and nevis.--Pure Soul 06:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niki1984 (talkcontribs)

Most of it. You start with the redundancy of it being caribbean, then praise the programme (which you spell the american way in a country that is still a commonwealth realm) calling it old, "legitimate", and internationally accepted. The sentence that the candidate needs to go through legal steps is obvious. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:33, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

1) To make everything clear you need to write each and everything need for the process. 2) This is for the English Speaking audience who wants to invest in st. kitts and not for the native. 3) If you find modification in the content send me modified version to go ahead in the direction of solution.--Pure Soul 06:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niki1984 (talkcontribs)

The process is simply you writing something for an encyclopaedia and not for advertisment. The fact you are writing this for "the English Speaking audience who wants to invest in st. kitts" shows that it is probably information which doesn't belong here at all. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:27, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't get your point. I already told you that I don't find any line from the content which looks like advts. And already told you to modify content for the bold terms. With generic word "Advertisement" every time you should not remove content like this.--Pure Soul 07:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I've also pointed out some words used which were decidedly unneutral in presentation, and you still haven't convinced me that this is so important to St Kitts and Nevis that it deserves mention. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I already answered all of your queries with explanation. And from the beginning I told you two fundamental things 1) This content is purely informative published by gov. approved company 2) People who visit this page must know about Economic Citizenship (biggest and old programme in the word). Both is enough to make content live.I Wish You a Happy and Prosperous Christmas. --Pure Soul 07:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niki1984 (talkcontribs)

1 doesn't justify inclusion, and you haven't explained 2. Why must they know? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:29, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello there. I think that the inclusion of this section on Citizenship by Investment is valid and good. St. Kitts and Nevis is one of only a few countries that offer such a unique program that basically offers very quick citizenship via a cash donation or via an investment in real estate.

However, I would make two changes.

First, as the St. Kitts and Nevis government refers to this official program as the "Citizenship by Investment Program" I feel that entitling this section by that name would be more appropriate. I do not see a need to refer to it as "Economic Citizenship Investment" especially when that is a rather confusing title. Economic citizenship? That doesn't make sense. I think that we can just use the official name of "Citizenship by Investment Program" that the government uses.

Second, I think that the notes (websites linked to) within this section are borderline advertising and surely not the best choice. For starters, the links refer readers to 3rd party companies instead of directly to the government's dedicated and official Citizen by Investment Unit website. Surely the government's own website that describes this program is the best option - and is more thorough and unbiased. As well, these 3rd party companies that ARE linked to are coming across as advertising themselves (promoting themselves) vs. being objective. Bias in this section was already mentioned by another person (see above) and should be examined more closely. Again, it appears as promoting a business vs. being neutral. One of the two companies referenced to sells real estate (Kittitian Hill) and the other is an attorney's office. The real estate office indeed works closely with the St. Kitts and Nevis government when it comes to this program. However, why link to a for-profit real estate company when you could refer people to the government's official website instead? There are MANY real estate companies that work with the government concerning this program. Kittitian Hill comes across as advertising their own real estate development via Wikipedia if we only link to their website vs. to the government site. In fact, the government's website clearly says, "WARNING! Be advised that any advertising concerning the Citizenship by Investment Programme of St Kitts and Nevis is strictly prohibited. Developers and Service Providers are restricted to only stating that they are approved under the Citizenship by Investment Programme and by the provision of a link to the website ciu.gov.kn." Thus, I think that the government is against any type of bias or self-promotion when it comes to this program. As well, the attorney's office that is linked to is not even authorized by the St. Kitts and Nevis government to assist with this program. The attorneys are in Pakistan as far as I can tell. Again, the government website is very informative and is 100% neutral. Linking to 3rd party (for profit) companies only looks like these companies are attempting to promote themselves. All links and references in this section should direct readers to a neutral and original source, namely the government's official website that describes this program in detail.

The government website: http://ciu.gov.kn/ Island reader (talk) 09:39, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Name in 1961[edit]

I just created Category:1961 establishments in Saint Kitts and Nevis as well as the associated category hierarchy to connect with the wider scheme already in place for other nations. Now, after having done this I came to learn that this sovereign nation wasn't actually established until 1983. I'm not quote sure what would be the best way to deal with this. I've hooked this category up to the United Kingdom hierarchy for starters. I'll be happy to hear others' reactions and ideas on this. __meco (talk) 01:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Crime Rate?[edit]

I think there should be some information on crime included. According to List of countries by intentional homicide rate it has the 3rd highest murder rate in the world. Kevink707 (talk) 00:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Small population + gang war according to:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1110973/Return-noose-St-Kitts-just-hanged-man-decade-believes-way-beat-violent-crime.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.16.158.138 (talk) 08:34, 5 June 2012 (UTC)