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さいたま vs. 埼玉[edit]

  • I passed through Saitama City once, and I too was intrigued by the fact that the name was in hiragana ... so when I saw the translation request for that section in Japanese, I couldn't pass it up! Hopefully this is a helpful addition to the article. CES 06:17, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

From Wikpedia:Pages needing translation into English; also posted to Kanji:

  • Article: ja:さいたま市#地名の由来 (just this segment)
  • Corresponding English-language article: Saitama, Saitama#Toponym
  • Worth doing because: Saitama seems to be one of the few large cities whose name doesn't have Kanji. The origin of this name is hard to find on English webpages.
  • Originally requested by: --Menchi 10:29, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • Status: I have translated it, hopefully this is helpful! CES 06:14, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • Other notes: Adding a paragraph on those proper nouns (place and personal names) that do not (cannot) have Kanji in Kanji would be informative too.

This paragraph would be applicable to Saitama Prefecture in genreral than Saitama, Saitama.

The Tokyoites, especially the newcomers often refer to Saitama as "Dasaitama," a combination of dasai (uncool) and Saitama. The Tokyo disdain for Saitama comes from before World War II, when Saitama was a rural area and considered to be markedly less sophisticated than the capital. Soredewa 11:18, 2005 May 28 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

Sorry for I mistakenly presumed that Yoko Ono have lived in the city. John Lennon Museum was likely to be brought about by her connection with the constructor of Saitama Super Arena. Soredewa 07:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I am unsure whether it adds value to the article, but I also distinctly remember (back in 95/96) native tokyoites drawing attention to the similarity between 'さいたま' and 'さいて' (pronounced sigh-te and a derogatory slang roughly translating to 'the worst' or, what I think they meant in the case of a saitama 'a dive/or dump'). Can anyone still in Tokyo - comment on this? (sorry, not logged in when I made this change Markscottjohnson 09:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)).

They are talking Saitama Prefecture in general. It was in 2001 the city was named so.Soredewa 05:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


Moving/Renaming[edit]

Seems there is not a consensus on the proper name for the article... Saitama City or Saitama, Saitama? Discuss here please. -Travis Thurston+ 20:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

The Manual of Style currently recommends the following:
For designated cities, use [[{city-name}]] without appending the prefecture unless disambiguation from another city or prefecture is necessary.
I read this as meaning we should use the same standard form (i.e. "Saitama, Saitama") as is used for all other Japanese cities. --DAJF (talk) 05:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
So US cities have aren't held to the same MOS? Case in point: New York City vs. New York, New York. --Travis Thurston+ 08:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
That's right. Articles about Japanese cities are covered by the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) guidelines I quoted above. I don't have strong views for or against Saitama City or Saitama, Saitama, but I do think we should adhere to the Manual of Style or else change the MOS wording rather than just change titles to suit our personal preferences. --DAJF (talk) 09:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Great. Thanks for looking into it... If it comes up again we can point them in this direction. --Travis Thurston+ 18:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)