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What is salafi jihadism[edit]

This new term is invented by west to save al qaida from calling as wahhabi (of saudi arabia). This trick will help them to achieve support from govt of saudi arabia. There is no such term in encyclopedias so I recommend to delete this article. This new name for extremist islamism is coined to deviate the attention from the saudi wahhabi link with al qaida. This term is never used in media and nor is found in any encyclopedias. Zikrullah (talk) 15:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Mention of Sayyid Qutb[edit]

Sayyid Qutb was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and is not a Salafi. Removing references to Syed Qutb from this article. Shijaz (talk) 08:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


Image of Osama bin Laden[edit]

Removing image of Osama because he is not referred in the article. Also - Osama is not a Salafi, he is an adherent of Qutbism, hence the image is misleading. See main article Osama bin Laden. Shijaz (talk) 08:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Al Qaeda is a jihadi salafi organization. bin Laden is its head. Qutb is recognized as a major influence on Al Qaeda. jihadi salafis are not the same as salafis. We have to refer to Reliable sources and not to your opinion on who is and who isn't a jihadi salafi --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I will not disagree with you if this article is strictly meant to be Gilles Kepel's POV. I suggest you read Criticism_of_Osama_bin_Laden for the facts and other references to know the facts of bin Laden's affiliations.Shijaz (talk) 12:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Kepel is a notable source, so far I have found no other notable mention of jihadi salafis that contradict him. --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes salafi scholars attack bin Laden. (I suspect some salafi scholars attack other salafi scholars. That does not mean the attacked scholars are not considered salafi.) But again, this is an article on jihadi salafism which is not the same as salafism. --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Number of Salafist jihadists?[edit]

Can anyone confirm or cite the number of followers? It used to say 1 percent of 2.5 billion Muslims (incorrect, as there are only 1.4 billion Muslims in the world) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkhach (talkcontribs) 09:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

"Journalist Bruce Livesey estimates Salafi jihadists constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.9 billion Muslims (c. 10 million)." I double checked the citation, and Bruce Livesey writes: "Salafi jihadists -- who constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims..." I think the article should contain the number used by Livesey, even if it is outdated, if it is going to cite his "1 percent" figure. --71.94.75.230 (talk) 02:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Needs Rewrite[edit]

The first paragraph of the body is poorly written and not in the wikipedia style. Use of a journalist as though he was an expert on the issue is also questionable. 1% of 1.4 Billion is 14 million an entirely implausible number. The active duty contingent of the US army is only a half a million. Foreign Policy suggests that Afghanistan for example has militants ranging in number from a few hundred to no more than 3 or 4 thousand. The expert mentioned is not even terribly notable even as a journalist much less as an authority to be used in the introduction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.155.29 (talk) 19:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Motion to rename page "Salafist jihadism/terrorism"[edit]

More descriptive to people who don't know much about the arabic term "jihad" but understand the mainstream word "terrorism". Mark your post with Oppose or Support followed by argument for or against. In addition, any combination of "Salafist/Salafi terrorist/jihadist" should probably redirect here. Pär Larsson (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Pointless. How many people are there who know what a Salafi is but don't know what a jihad is? Paul S (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Merge this with Mujahideen, this is just a rarely used neologism. FunkMonk (talk) 23:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Errr, what? That term for many people refer to non-terrorist freedom fighters such as against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan - and is on occasion used to refer to non-violent people who "struggle". If anything, make it a section of Terrorist.Pär Larsson (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Considering Jihadism a fine-line between Jihad and Terrorism, weather the current article explains the defensive side or not. Btw, I'm not saying that Jihadism is legitimate, LOL ~ AdvertAdam talk 19:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure that people do know what jihad is. Most consider it purely in terms of belief justified aggression even though it has a wider meaning of spiritual struggle. Gregkaye 10:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Motion to rename page "Qutbist jihadism/terrorism"[edit]

In the article it's mentioned that Sayyid Qutb is the antecedent for this sect. Then why not call it Qutbist-Jihadism? Why use the word Salafi? Have any of the leading Salafi Scholars of the recent past and present ever condoned terrorism or what's called "jihadism"? No! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.181.139.28 (talk) 09:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Have added this to the article:
They are sometimes described as a variety of Salafi[1], and sometimes as separate from "good Salafis"[2] whose movement is a "precursor" of Salafist jihadism[3]. --BoogaLouie (talk) 22:46, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I second this motion of renaming the page; 'Salafi' is considered a pejorative among muslims, and it's an insult that this is considered acceptable as an term of usage on wikipedia. Solntsa90 (talk) 04:40, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

References
  1. ^ El-Baghdadi, Iyad. "Salafis, Jihadis, Takfiris: Demystifying Militant Islamism in Syria". 15 January 2013. Retrieved 10 March 2013. 
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference BLivesey was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference terms was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Image.[edit]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52300000/jpg/_52300851_011770030-1.jpg would be pertinent I would think. I'm no copyright expert, though, so if someone could figure out what/if/how or an alternative that'd be pimp.Pär Larsson (talk) 18:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure)innotata 23:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


Salafist jihadismSalafi jihadism – Per: good English as -ist denotes a noun and not an adjective; WP:Criteria, Consistency which applies due to commonality with Salafi movement and Islamic Salafi Alliance and WP:UCRN as "Salafist Jihadism" gets "About 5,860 results" while "Salafi Jihadism" gets "About 11,600 results". Another name possibility could be "Salafi Jihad" which gets "About 24,500 results". --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 02:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC) Gregkaye 10:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Support. I get 10 news stories for "Salafist jihadism," 21 for ""Salafi jihadism." Claimsworth (talk) 10:38, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
That's one-third for the current title and two-thirds for the proposed. --George Ho (talk) 15:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Bladesmulti (talk) 10:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak Support. I would like to see the Jihadism capitalized though Gazkthul (talk) 23:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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